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Ugh, these are always set up to be nothing more than click bait. They're always surface level and never actually gather real financials. Most of the folks who f

Ugh, these are always set up to be nothing more than click bait. They're always surface level and never actually gather real financials. Most of the folks who fill out the information don't even have access to their P&L to be fully educated on the spend. For most folks here on HN, you should not care about your cloud opex cost as long as it is time benefiting. The most costly thing to waste is time. Can you cut your cloud bill by 35% with optimal provisioning? Most likely. Can you do this cut with a greater return given all the inputs, time, wages, opportunity cost, AND what level of confidence in completion to that exact or less deadline? The only times I've seen the numbers work out has been, growth is flattening, +$3M/yr vendor spend or $45k/month specific service spend.

hedora 3y ago
Agreed about opex while the business is ramping. Kubernetes has universally been a productivity killer in the organizations I’ve seen deploy it. It’s one of the bigger threats to the company at my current gig. Maybe it’s just stuck in the trough of disillusionment this year, but I’d love to see a non-terrible replacement for it take over.
- rixed 3y ago
  The Hashicorp suite (Nomad as the orchestrator) has the reputation to be simpler and more capable of scaling but I've never tried it yet. Better hurry since the industry has apparently decided to flock around kubernetes.
- inhumantsar 3y ago
  what would you say are the biggest sources of pain? k8s is definitely a beast, and I'm curious what parts in particular that drag down productivity for you.
  - rbanffy 3y ago
    It is a complicated beast, extremely flexible. It's a box of Legos you need to assemble yourself. There is space for simpler, opinionated solutions (such as OpenShift) that require making fewer decisions and keeping track of less configuration.
    - inhumantsar 3y ago
      yeah ok that's about what I figured. imho you can't really raw dog k8s unless you've got a team dedicated to building tools or, to use your analogy, packaging up sets out of the messy box of Legos and writing assembly instructions.
- llama052 3y ago
  It's been the opposite for us. No more waiting for VMs to get spun up and it actually enforces a consistent layer across infrastructure. I'd be curious what the pain you've seen is.
  - BlackjackCF 3y ago
    Likely just a lack of organizational expertise. Also, if you use some of the tools out there advertised to make K8s easier (operators + Helm) - you actually do have a harder time debugging the thing if you don’t know K8s well due to how many layers of abstraction those tools add.

hedora 3y ago

Agreed about opex while the business is ramping. Kubernetes has universally been a productivity killer in the organizations I’ve seen deploy it. It’s one of the bigger threats to the company at my current gig. Maybe it’s just stuck in the trough of disillusionment this year, but I’d love to see a non-terrible replacement for it take over.

rixed 3y ago
The Hashicorp suite (Nomad as the orchestrator) has the reputation to be simpler and more capable of scaling but I've never tried it yet. Better hurry since the industry has apparently decided to flock around kubernetes.
inhumantsar 3y ago
what would you say are the biggest sources of pain? k8s is definitely a beast, and I'm curious what parts in particular that drag down productivity for you.
- rbanffy 3y ago
  It is a complicated beast, extremely flexible. It's a box of Legos you need to assemble yourself. There is space for simpler, opinionated solutions (such as OpenShift) that require making fewer decisions and keeping track of less configuration.
  - inhumantsar 3y ago
    yeah ok that's about what I figured. imho you can't really raw dog k8s unless you've got a team dedicated to building tools or, to use your analogy, packaging up sets out of the messy box of Legos and writing assembly instructions.
llama052 3y ago
It's been the opposite for us. No more waiting for VMs to get spun up and it actually enforces a consistent layer across infrastructure. I'd be curious what the pain you've seen is.
- BlackjackCF 3y ago
  Likely just a lack of organizational expertise. Also, if you use some of the tools out there advertised to make K8s easier (operators + Helm) - you actually do have a harder time debugging the thing if you don’t know K8s well due to how many layers of abstraction those tools add.