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GPT-4 was created like 3 years ago internally

by nuz 3y ago

asah 3y ago
the market is evaluating LLMs based on what's actually available. No GPT5 = users go elsewhere. GPT-4 has little "lock-in" and isn't "good enough" the keep users via inertia.
- declaredapple 3y ago
  > No GPT5 = users go elsewhere. You're not wrong, but most of the big players will take a while to switch, at least in my experience you have to put more effort into making sure your prompts result in what you want, and that's annoying especially if GPT4 is already working for you. Claude historically has really bad refusals for safe prompts. Also, GPT4 is cheaper 10/30 $/m vs 15/75 $/m for claude 3 opus - I'm not sure that price hike is worth the _slight_ benchmark improvement.
scarmig 3y ago
If nothing else, this pushes OpenAI to release its next generation in the next couple of months. It can't afford to rest on its laurels.
declaredapple 3y ago
GPT-4 is also cheaper, 10/30 $/m vs 15/75 $/m for claude 3 opus
wokwokwok 3y ago
People don't use GPT-4 because it was created 3 years ago, or because it's pink, or because it has a 4 in the name. They use it because it's better than any other publicly available model for most people. If this is better, and people can access it, they'll use it instead of GPT-4. People would already be using gemini ultra instead if they could access it, but google fucked the rollout out by telling everyone about it and then saying no one could play with it. > Opus and Sonnet are available to use today in our API, which is now generally available, enabling developers to sign up and start using these models immediately. Sounds pretty good. If OpenAI want to stay in the game, they need something more than offering 'GPT-TEAM, all the features you already had!' or 'We made this 3 years ago'. Sora was really fantastic. No one has access. > Opus and Sonnet are available to use today in our API, which is now generally available, enabling developers to sign up and start using these models immediately. Tell me this doesn't sound a littllllle bit more exciting than anything OpenAI has been releasing recently? I look forward to their response... but I agree with sentiment that they better not sit around twiddling their thumbs; the world is moving fast.

GPT-4 was created like 3 years ago internally

by nuz 3y ago

GPT-4 was created like 3 years ago internally

asah 3y ago

the market is evaluating LLMs based on what's actually available. No GPT5 = users go elsewhere. GPT-4 has little "lock-in" and isn't "good enough" the keep users via inertia.

declaredapple 3y ago
> No GPT5 = users go elsewhere. You're not wrong, but most of the big players will take a while to switch, at least in my experience you have to put more effort into making sure your prompts result in what you want, and that's annoying especially if GPT4 is already working for you. Claude historically has really bad refusals for safe prompts. Also, GPT4 is cheaper 10/30 $/m vs 15/75 $/m for claude 3 opus - I'm not sure that price hike is worth the _slight_ benchmark improvement.

scarmig 3y ago

If nothing else, this pushes OpenAI to release its next generation in the next couple of months. It can't afford to rest on its laurels.

declaredapple 3y ago

GPT-4 is also cheaper, 10/30 $/m vs 15/75 $/m for claude 3 opus

wokwokwok 3y ago

People don't use GPT-4 because it was created 3 years ago, or because it's pink, or because it has a 4 in the name. They use it because it's better than any other publicly available model for most people. If this is better, and people can access it, they'll use it instead of GPT-4. People would already be using gemini ultra instead if they could access it, but google fucked the rollout out by telling everyone about it and then saying no one could play with it. > Opus and Sonnet are available to use today in our API, which is now generally available, enabling developers to sign up and start using these models immediately. Sounds pretty good. If OpenAI want to stay in the game, they need something more than offering 'GPT-TEAM, all the features you already had!' or 'We made this 3 years ago'. Sora was really fantastic. No one has access. > Opus and Sonnet are available to use today in our API, which is now generally available, enabling developers to sign up and start using these models immediately. Tell me this doesn't sound a littllllle bit more exciting than anything OpenAI has been releasing recently? I look forward to their response... but I agree with sentiment that they better not sit around twiddling their thumbs; the world is moving fast.