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This all sounds logical, but only to the extent you want it to be logical and numbers based. Why not include all the dollars required to get a working phone pl
by baxtr 3y ago
This all sounds logical, but only to the extent you want it to be logical and numbers based.
Why not include all the dollars required to get a working phone platform to billions of people on the planet?
Ask Jeff Bezos or Microsoft how easy that is.
Spotify wants to have all the positive aspects of the global Apple ecosystem but is not willing to pay a price for it.
- apwell23 3y ago> Why not include all the dollars required to get a working phone platform to billions of people on the planet? yea they do it not as a public service but to make their own platform more attractive with apps to ppl who buy iphones. This is not a service like aws purely benefit of app creators like spotify. Apple does it for their own benefit.
- albert180 3y agoYes, poor Apple selling their phones at cost to make money on the ecosystem like Google or Microsoft. Oh wait
- lopis 3y agoWhat's the point of defending a multi-trillion-dollar company? Apple is abusing its market position. Let's not pretend that they are strapping for money because getting a working phone platform is expensive. Apple doesn't provide 30% of the value of a company to deserve 30% of their profit. If they wanted to make it fair, they would charge a fair usage cost of the app store. Charge for hosting apps, delivering updates, appearing in featured apps, etc. Heck, companies already spend money on marketing, let them opt-out from appearing in search results if they want.
- judge2020 3y agoThe fee is somewhat for paying apple to make and maintain the APIs they put into iOS, including perpetual access to all future APIs. Not Apple’s fault if Spotify then refuses to e.g. integrate with the HomePod for years after Apple made the APIs to do so.
- madeofpalk 3y agoApple makes these APIs because it makes the iPhone a better product so customers buy it!
- shuckles 3y agoSo you’re of the position that when two companies are in a dispute, one should primarily favor the one with smaller market capitalization? Are you familiar with patent trolls?
- Aloisius 3y ago> Apple doesn't provide 30% of the value of a company to deserve 30% of their profit. They're not being fined for the percentage they take are they? Rather it seems they are being fined for banning app makers from letting users buy subscriptions outside the app store. Arguably Apple could still create licensing terms that take a percentage of revenue that happens outside the app store. The only odd bit about Apple is they're structured it around a transaction fee on the App Store rather than royalties for IP, which is more traditional. If they asked for royalties for the use of Apple SDKs, Apple branding, etc. instead, then it looks just like just another commercial vendor.
- _aavaa_ 3y agoApple's profitability and their ability to sell devices is Apple's problem, not Spotify's. Apple is not entitled to a cut of every transaction that happens on my device, despite however much their claim otherwise.
- Andrew_nenakhov 3y agoApple's stance is that your iPhone is not your, but still Apple's, and you're only renting it under strict conditions.
- _aavaa_ 3y agoAnd my stance is that if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it's a duck. Purchasing something already has an established definition and strong implicit contracts associated with that. Sooner or later this BS shall pass and I will be able to buy a phone without agreeing to a EULA and own the phone in the same way that I buy a banana and own it without having to agree to a EULA.
- ildjarn 3y agoAre Apple obligated to update your device too?
- amf12 3y agoIf they promised updates for x years, then yes.
- _aavaa_ 3y agoTotally irrelevant to whether I own what I bought at the time of sale. If they want to release free updates (which I own a copy of) that's fine. If they make me pay for updates (which I will also then own a copy of) that's also fine. If they want to make me sign a Eula to get updates from them, fine I won't sign it but you better have not locked me out of my own device by preventing me from installing other operating systems.
- alkonaut 3y ago> Why not include all the dollars required to get a working phone platform to billions of people on the planet? > Spotify wants to have all the positive aspects of the global Apple ecosystem but is not willing to pay a price for it. But this assumes that by creating something Apple has right to all the profits from it. For consumers, it's likely better if they didn't. And consumers are voters while corporations aren't.