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> the security of the continent depends on American hegemony, on American guns and ultimately on American money. And the security of the American chip industry

> the security of the continent depends on American hegemony, on American guns and ultimately on American money. And the security of the American chip industry depends on ASML machines, and American airline passengers depend on EU made airplanes. What's your point? Every post-WW2 economy is dependent on the other economies nowadays. There's no fully independent economy that can survive on its own anymore. US (and other including EU) companies get fined because they break EU laws, it's not done out of spite. If they dont wanna get fined they should stop breaking the laws. Simple.

paganel 3y ago
I didn't say it was "out of spite", to the contrary, I said that the measures should have been (and could have been, given a different geo-political context) a lot harsher, such as trying to breaking up Apple's operations in Europe and more. That type of action is off the table for the foreseeable future, and the same goes for the other big US tech companies that are operating in Europe in defiance of the spirit of EU laws, such as Alphabet and Meta (anything related to Musk is a special case because of politics-related concerns).
pb7 3y ago
The US doesn’t need Airbus. Europe needs American tech.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Yeah, what would we do without Windows, Facebook and Instagram stealing our personal info and pushing us ads? /s
  - pb7 3y ago
    Most of Europe’s communication can be severed by turning off WhatsApp servers. That’s just one product out of thousands that Europeans take for granted every day. Operating systems, maps, productivity, communications, cloud, entertainment, the list is never ending. Europe is extremely dependent on American tech. An indisputable fact.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      >Most European communication can be severed by turning off WhatsApp servers. Oh no, what am I gonna do then?! Oh wait, I can just contact people by GSM voice or SMS, or use Signal or Threema the secure Swiss messanging service. FYI, the US communication can be disrupted too because they're using Nokia-Siemens 5G stations since the US has no local players in this space anymore. Let's stop being childish, ok? This isn't a CoD lobby for edgy 8 yearolds.
      - pb7 3y ago
        And yet you use WhatsApp because the European alternatives are hot garbage. Same with every other product domain. Regulation isn’t innovation.
    - Hamuko 3y ago
      Disrupted, sure. Severed? You do know that we still have a functioning SMS network, right? Also, personally, I don't even use WhatsApp since I can communicate with my family using Signal. It's so easy that even my grandma uses it.
    - sensanaty 3y ago
      My company is highly intertwined with WA and if they killed it off in the EU, we'd just switch to Signal/Telegram/the millions of other secure messaging services out there ¯ \ _ ( ツ ) _ / ¯
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  US without European precision engineering, machinery, etc. - might be tough for a while.
- GardenLetter27 3y ago
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paganel 3y ago

I didn't say it was "out of spite", to the contrary, I said that the measures should have been (and could have been, given a different geo-political context) a lot harsher, such as trying to breaking up Apple's operations in Europe and more. That type of action is off the table for the foreseeable future, and the same goes for the other big US tech companies that are operating in Europe in defiance of the spirit of EU laws, such as Alphabet and Meta (anything related to Musk is a special case because of politics-related concerns).

pb7 3y ago

The US doesn’t need Airbus. Europe needs American tech.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Yeah, what would we do without Windows, Facebook and Instagram stealing our personal info and pushing us ads? /s
- pb7 3y ago
  Most of Europe’s communication can be severed by turning off WhatsApp servers. That’s just one product out of thousands that Europeans take for granted every day. Operating systems, maps, productivity, communications, cloud, entertainment, the list is never ending. Europe is extremely dependent on American tech. An indisputable fact.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >Most European communication can be severed by turning off WhatsApp servers. Oh no, what am I gonna do then?! Oh wait, I can just contact people by GSM voice or SMS, or use Signal or Threema the secure Swiss messanging service. FYI, the US communication can be disrupted too because they're using Nokia-Siemens 5G stations since the US has no local players in this space anymore. Let's stop being childish, ok? This isn't a CoD lobby for edgy 8 yearolds.
    - pb7 3y ago
      And yet you use WhatsApp because the European alternatives are hot garbage. Same with every other product domain. Regulation isn’t innovation.
  - Hamuko 3y ago
    Disrupted, sure. Severed? You do know that we still have a functioning SMS network, right? Also, personally, I don't even use WhatsApp since I can communicate with my family using Signal. It's so easy that even my grandma uses it.
  - sensanaty 3y ago
    My company is highly intertwined with WA and if they killed it off in the EU, we'd just switch to Signal/Telegram/the millions of other secure messaging services out there ¯ \ _ ( ツ ) _ / ¯
RandomLensman 3y ago
US without European precision engineering, machinery, etc. - might be tough for a while.
GardenLetter27 3y ago
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