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> for me the door do solve many of those problems A door might solve many of these problems in such a way which do not require you to ask people to be quiet an

> for me the door do solve many of those problems A door might solve many of these problems in such a way which do not require you to ask people to be quiet and respect your need to concentrate. You can still ask people to do so. You can ask management to do so. If there isn't a, shall we call it "library" culture, where people are reading in a great big open space together together quietly, then it sounds like a bad culture fit to me, not a problem with the open space itself. A door might not solve these problems if people barge in whenever they feel like it; if you lock the door, if people knock incessantly until you answer. > Also private offices are way more social, as you can have meetings, chat and cooperate without ruining everyone elses day. This is literally what conference rooms are for.

AlbertCory 3y ago
This really sounds like you've never worked in such an environment. > if people barge in whenever they feel like it But they don't. Even when your door is open, they stand outside and knock. > This is literally what conference rooms are for. Again, naivete here. "Going to a conference room" is inherently a bigger deal than just hanging out with someone in their office.
- solatic 3y ago
  > But they don't. Even when your door is open, they stand outside and knock. I'm not arguing that can't happen in environments with offices that lock. I'm arguing that what causes someone to stand outside and knock is cultural, and culture is stronger than the architecture of your surroundings. Architectural choices can certainly encourage certain cultures, but ultimately they do not determine culture, leadership does. > "Going to a conference room" is inherently a bigger deal than just hanging out with someone in their office. It's not if there are enough conference rooms, and hanging out with someone in their office is not easy if you can't rely upon being able to find them in their office, because they're too frequently going from conference room to conference room.
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    Once again, you are arguing from a place of no experience. > what causes someone to stand outside and knock is cultural The point being... ? When people have private offices, they naturally grok that the office is a private space, not a public one. If they're not there, you have multiple ways of saying "I want to talk to you."
    - solatic 3y ago
      > The point being... ? > Architectural choices can certainly encourage certain cultures, but ultimately they do not determine culture, leadership does.
      - AlbertCory 3y ago
        If that's important to you. There was no "leadership" that said "knock before entering." Order can arise without anyone giving orders.
carom 3y ago
What is the point of having a shared space if you're not allowed to talk in it? This is how the Google office was and I hated it. This is coming from an introvert. I can have quiet at home. I do not see the point of commuting to a shared space and then having it be taboo to speak because everyone is in the same room.

AlbertCory 3y ago

This really sounds like you've never worked in such an environment. > if people barge in whenever they feel like it But they don't. Even when your door is open, they stand outside and knock. > This is literally what conference rooms are for. Again, naivete here. "Going to a conference room" is inherently a bigger deal than just hanging out with someone in their office.

solatic 3y ago
> But they don't. Even when your door is open, they stand outside and knock. I'm not arguing that can't happen in environments with offices that lock. I'm arguing that what causes someone to stand outside and knock is cultural, and culture is stronger than the architecture of your surroundings. Architectural choices can certainly encourage certain cultures, but ultimately they do not determine culture, leadership does. > "Going to a conference room" is inherently a bigger deal than just hanging out with someone in their office. It's not if there are enough conference rooms, and hanging out with someone in their office is not easy if you can't rely upon being able to find them in their office, because they're too frequently going from conference room to conference room.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  Once again, you are arguing from a place of no experience. > what causes someone to stand outside and knock is cultural The point being... ? When people have private offices, they naturally grok that the office is a private space, not a public one. If they're not there, you have multiple ways of saying "I want to talk to you."
  - solatic 3y ago
    > The point being... ? > Architectural choices can certainly encourage certain cultures, but ultimately they do not determine culture, leadership does.
    - AlbertCory 3y ago
      If that's important to you. There was no "leadership" that said "knock before entering." Order can arise without anyone giving orders.

carom 3y ago

What is the point of having a shared space if you're not allowed to talk in it? This is how the Google office was and I hated it. This is coming from an introvert. I can have quiet at home. I do not see the point of commuting to a shared space and then having it be taboo to speak because everyone is in the same room.