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There are lots of problems in the world. They wouldn't go away if the USA did nothing. They would get worse in most cases.

piva00 3y ago
We can't know though, since there are no "ifs" in history to try out the hypothesis. I do believe the USA has maintained a tense pseudostability in the post-WW2 world, at the same time it's the USA who destabilised a lot of Latin America through covert operations, who has spread its economical and social ideology around the world for its own benefits (and detrimental to a lot of countries being shackled to US's economic policies), and who has fostered an unstable Middle East after the French and Brits created the whole mess. America's thirst for oil has its own set of extreme damage to the world, including the climate. Problems would be different, probably some of it could be much worse but there are a lot of countries in the world who got shackled by America's interests and haven't had true sovereignty for decades (e.g.: look at Latin America as a whole). Nonetheless, the world would be very different, we can't know how much better or worse in some areas. So it is what it is, we won't ever know what we could be without USA's imperialism.
- matthewfelgate 3y ago
  The USA hasn't been involved in South American politics since the 60s/70s. The political problems there now are all of their own making. The Middle East is an unstable place. Not due to the USA. Countries that have become liberal free market democracies have benefitted tremendously in living standards. I wouldn't describe Sweden, Singapore or Poland "shackled" to the USA. We can absolutely see the positive impact on the USA around the world: - North Korea (not US aligned) vs South Korea. - Ukraine (invaded by Russia) vs Baltic countries. - Venezuela (Socialist) Vs Chile (a liberal democracy). Lots of idiots have this juvenile "blame everything on the USA" mentality. I suppose because it's easier than doing any critical thinking.
  - defrost 3y ago
    > The USA hasn't been involved in South American politics since the 60s/70s. That really does come across as rose coloured blinders. The Iran–Contra affair was the 1980s. More recently: In what The New York Times described as "Washington’s most overt attempts in decades to carry out regime change in Latin America", the administration of President Donald Trump made an attempt of regime change in an effort to remove President Nicolás Maduro from office during the Venezuelan presidential crisis ... There's more if you care to look.
    - matthewfelgate 3y ago
      The Middle East is an unstable place. Not due to the USA. Countries that have become liberal free market democracies have benefitted tremendously in living standards. I wouldn't describe Sweden, Singapore or Poland "shackled" to the USA. We can absolutely see the positive impact on the USA around the world: - North Korea (not US aligned) vs South Korea. - Ukraine (invaded by Russia) vs Baltic countries. - Venezuela (Socialist) Vs Chile (a liberal democracy).
      - defrost 3y ago
        The claim being addressed here by myself though was that "the US hasn't meddled with South America since the 60's|70's". Not only is that false it's alsdo clear that "the positive impact on the USA around the world" hasn't manifested itself within the immediate umbrella of the Monroe Doctrine. Nor would many argue that the US sets a great example of a liberal free market democracy, it doesn't rank well on things that matter to people against others.
        matthewfelgate 3y ago
        You've failed to respond to any of my points.

piva00 3y ago

We can't know though, since there are no "ifs" in history to try out the hypothesis. I do believe the USA has maintained a tense pseudostability in the post-WW2 world, at the same time it's the USA who destabilised a lot of Latin America through covert operations, who has spread its economical and social ideology around the world for its own benefits (and detrimental to a lot of countries being shackled to US's economic policies), and who has fostered an unstable Middle East after the French and Brits created the whole mess. America's thirst for oil has its own set of extreme damage to the world, including the climate. Problems would be different, probably some of it could be much worse but there are a lot of countries in the world who got shackled by America's interests and haven't had true sovereignty for decades (e.g.: look at Latin America as a whole). Nonetheless, the world would be very different, we can't know how much better or worse in some areas. So it is what it is, we won't ever know what we could be without USA's imperialism.

matthewfelgate 3y ago
The USA hasn't been involved in South American politics since the 60s/70s. The political problems there now are all of their own making. The Middle East is an unstable place. Not due to the USA. Countries that have become liberal free market democracies have benefitted tremendously in living standards. I wouldn't describe Sweden, Singapore or Poland "shackled" to the USA. We can absolutely see the positive impact on the USA around the world: - North Korea (not US aligned) vs South Korea. - Ukraine (invaded by Russia) vs Baltic countries. - Venezuela (Socialist) Vs Chile (a liberal democracy). Lots of idiots have this juvenile "blame everything on the USA" mentality. I suppose because it's easier than doing any critical thinking.
- defrost 3y ago
  > The USA hasn't been involved in South American politics since the 60s/70s. That really does come across as rose coloured blinders. The Iran–Contra affair was the 1980s. More recently: In what The New York Times described as "Washington’s most overt attempts in decades to carry out regime change in Latin America", the administration of President Donald Trump made an attempt of regime change in an effort to remove President Nicolás Maduro from office during the Venezuelan presidential crisis ... There's more if you care to look.
  - matthewfelgate 3y ago
    The Middle East is an unstable place. Not due to the USA. Countries that have become liberal free market democracies have benefitted tremendously in living standards. I wouldn't describe Sweden, Singapore or Poland "shackled" to the USA. We can absolutely see the positive impact on the USA around the world: - North Korea (not US aligned) vs South Korea. - Ukraine (invaded by Russia) vs Baltic countries. - Venezuela (Socialist) Vs Chile (a liberal democracy).
    - defrost 3y ago
      The claim being addressed here by myself though was that "the US hasn't meddled with South America since the 60's|70's". Not only is that false it's alsdo clear that "the positive impact on the USA around the world" hasn't manifested itself within the immediate umbrella of the Monroe Doctrine. Nor would many argue that the US sets a great example of a liberal free market democracy, it doesn't rank well on things that matter to people against others.
      - matthewfelgate 3y ago
        You've failed to respond to any of my points.