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And the violation might've been even earlier (since the contract was 2005). 650K euros is not a lot of money for a big company in any year. Getting away with

by neilv 3y ago

And the violation might've been even earlier (since the contract was 2005). 650K euros is not a lot of money for a big company in any year. Getting away with the violation for 14-19 years before losing an appeal and finally paying up just seems petty.

yard2010 3y ago
It's easier to say sorry than ask for permission
- vram22 3y ago
  EAFP is the acronym, even used in Python. https://docs.python.org/3/glossary.html#term-EAFP https://docs.python.org/3/glossary.html#term-EAFP
sidewndr46 3y ago
If I was a lawyer for this company, I'd be telling my boss we won. Decades of reselling something we didn't own for a pittance of a fine is a win in my book.
- bdauvergne 3y ago
  They never reselled it, I have no proof of that but I'm pretty sure of it, in fact the use of this software stopped in 2016 when the french state site mon.service-public.fr stopped (see https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mon.service-public.fr https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mon.service-public.fr), software was used from 2009 to 2016, by a french administration named DGME, so 7 years. Orange extended its own identity provider (used in their old ISP trademark "Wanadoo") which was some kind of proprietary SSO protocol a bit like CAS, and extended it with Lasso to deliver a real SAML identity provider for this project to French state); they never have any incentive to use it for themselves and they do not resell softwares anyway. The background of all that is only supposition from me (we participated to the same project as the contractor of another administration, la Caisse des dépôts et Consignation, but we were never inside the project of delivering Mon.Service-public.fr itself which was the project won by Orange Business Services and using Lasso), but I think it happened because an engineer was expected to deliver the software but its managers never asked him how he would do it, and at some point someone waved the problem of the license away because everything was too late anyway. It's just my own big corporation fiction, your mileage may vary.
araes 3y ago
Orange S.A. made €43.47 billion revenue last year ($4.8B operating, $2.6B net). If I made $100k / yr, this is like fighting in court for two decades over $1. [1] "Orange S.A. Consolidated financial statements", https://gallery.orange.com/finance#l=row&lang=en&om=eeeb89fa-e63e-40cc-9c69-66d4a6abb461&v=1e8be045-e35b-43a7-b9d4-9b05cf4a2f21 https://gallery.orange.com/finance#l=row&lang=en&om=eeeb89fa...

by neilv 3y ago

yard2010 3y ago

It's easier to say sorry than ask for permission

vram22 3y ago
EAFP is the acronym, even used in Python. https://docs.python.org/3/glossary.html#term-EAFP https://docs.python.org/3/glossary.html#term-EAFP

sidewndr46 3y ago

If I was a lawyer for this company, I'd be telling my boss we won. Decades of reselling something we didn't own for a pittance of a fine is a win in my book.

bdauvergne 3y ago
They never reselled it, I have no proof of that but I'm pretty sure of it, in fact the use of this software stopped in 2016 when the french state site mon.service-public.fr stopped (see https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mon.service-public.fr https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mon.service-public.fr), software was used from 2009 to 2016, by a french administration named DGME, so 7 years. Orange extended its own identity provider (used in their old ISP trademark "Wanadoo") which was some kind of proprietary SSO protocol a bit like CAS, and extended it with Lasso to deliver a real SAML identity provider for this project to French state); they never have any incentive to use it for themselves and they do not resell softwares anyway. The background of all that is only supposition from me (we participated to the same project as the contractor of another administration, la Caisse des dépôts et Consignation, but we were never inside the project of delivering Mon.Service-public.fr itself which was the project won by Orange Business Services and using Lasso), but I think it happened because an engineer was expected to deliver the software but its managers never asked him how he would do it, and at some point someone waved the problem of the license away because everything was too late anyway. It's just my own big corporation fiction, your mileage may vary.

araes 3y ago

Orange S.A. made €43.47 billion revenue last year ($4.8B operating, $2.6B net). If I made $100k / yr, this is like fighting in court for two decades over $1. [1] "Orange S.A. Consolidated financial statements", https://gallery.orange.com/finance#l=row&lang=en&om=eeeb89fa-e63e-40cc-9c69-66d4a6abb461&v=1e8be045-e35b-43a7-b9d4-9b05cf4a2f21 https://gallery.orange.com/finance#l=row&lang=en&om=eeeb89fa...