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You’re getting angry standing up for Elon Musk, of all people? I really don’t think an alternate timeline without his “ideas” would be any worse off. As for “im

by dwb 3y ago

You’re getting angry standing up for Elon Musk, of all people? I really don’t think an alternate timeline without his “ideas” would be any worse off. As for “implementation”, even if you do value the companies he’s headed or invested in, the bulk of the actual work will invariably have been done by others.

kortilla 3y ago
The private space industry would still be dead and electric cars would be set back a decade along with all of the environmental damage that comes from that. Elon derangement syndrome has made you delusional.
- dwb 3y ago
  I don't care about the private space industry, and Elon Musk didn't found Tesla or contribute any "ideas". It's a shame that you seem to have to resort to childish insults like "Elon derangement syndrome".
  - kortilla 3y ago
    There is nobody in any leadership position at Tesla that doesn't credit Musk for making Tesla viable. An idea without that execution is completely useless. There have been and are thousands of ideas for electric cars that never made it or will make it past a prototype because they lack the leadership skill Elon has motivating people into making a viable product. > I don't care about the private space industry This just means you don’t have much foresight or you don’t care about humanity. The private space industry is what lets us launch satellites to do things like observe the climate (macro and micro), find and prevent people from getting lost at sea, get people to the space station, launch telescopes, etc. Saying you don’t care about the private space industry is as dumb as saying, “I don’t care about the private computer industry” 50 years ago. > like "Elon derangement syndrome". There isn’t really any other way to describe the willful disregard of two huge influential companies led by the same person.
snapplebobapple 3y ago
The guy has made multiple unicorn companies providing services that previously didn't exist to many happy customers across diverse product groups doing things most people thought was stupid (cost effective electric cars) and/or impossible (cutting the cost of getting to orbit by 90%+). Of course other people are doing the bulk of the work. His job as manager is to give direction on what to work on/ideas to solve problems and provide capital to be expended to do the work itself before the company is turning a profit. To imply that the work would have been done by others if he didn't exist is incorrect, faulty logic. To say that someone else did much of the actual work solving the problems is obvious and how the system works. If Elon wasn't there they would not have been working on solving the problem because some other company doing something else would have hired them. Those other companies could be in other areas or part of the group of companies in those spaces prior to Elon who haven't gotten the job done up to this point, some with decades of headstart on the project.
- dwb 3y ago
  I don't care about any of this, I think how the system works is bad. It produces outcomes that are bad (in this case, absurd inequality), and I don't think that was inevitable. Moreover I don't think we (as a species, at least) are doomed and could learn something better, somehow.

by dwb 3y ago

kortilla 3y ago

The private space industry would still be dead and electric cars would be set back a decade along with all of the environmental damage that comes from that. Elon derangement syndrome has made you delusional.

dwb 3y ago
I don't care about the private space industry, and Elon Musk didn't found Tesla or contribute any "ideas". It's a shame that you seem to have to resort to childish insults like "Elon derangement syndrome".
- kortilla 3y ago
  There is nobody in any leadership position at Tesla that doesn't credit Musk for making Tesla viable. An idea without that execution is completely useless. There have been and are thousands of ideas for electric cars that never made it or will make it past a prototype because they lack the leadership skill Elon has motivating people into making a viable product. > I don't care about the private space industry This just means you don’t have much foresight or you don’t care about humanity. The private space industry is what lets us launch satellites to do things like observe the climate (macro and micro), find and prevent people from getting lost at sea, get people to the space station, launch telescopes, etc. Saying you don’t care about the private space industry is as dumb as saying, “I don’t care about the private computer industry” 50 years ago. > like "Elon derangement syndrome". There isn’t really any other way to describe the willful disregard of two huge influential companies led by the same person.

snapplebobapple 3y ago

The guy has made multiple unicorn companies providing services that previously didn't exist to many happy customers across diverse product groups doing things most people thought was stupid (cost effective electric cars) and/or impossible (cutting the cost of getting to orbit by 90%+). Of course other people are doing the bulk of the work. His job as manager is to give direction on what to work on/ideas to solve problems and provide capital to be expended to do the work itself before the company is turning a profit. To imply that the work would have been done by others if he didn't exist is incorrect, faulty logic. To say that someone else did much of the actual work solving the problems is obvious and how the system works. If Elon wasn't there they would not have been working on solving the problem because some other company doing something else would have hired them. Those other companies could be in other areas or part of the group of companies in those spaces prior to Elon who haven't gotten the job done up to this point, some with decades of headstart on the project.

dwb 3y ago
I don't care about any of this, I think how the system works is bad. It produces outcomes that are bad (in this case, absurd inequality), and I don't think that was inevitable. Moreover I don't think we (as a species, at least) are doomed and could learn something better, somehow.