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In Romania we have a crisis of workers in highway constructions and at the same time people living on benefits. The jobs are paying above the average, most are

In Romania we have a crisis of workers in highway constructions and at the same time people living on benefits. The jobs are paying above the average, most are for operators of heavy machinery (trucks, bulldozers), don't require high skills, but people prefer to not work. Statistics are showing unemployment in areas where candidates want jobs that don't exist (wrong studies, wrong expectations), in the meanwhile there are plans to import 100,000 temporary workers from Sri Lanka. People having unrealistic expectations are mostly explaining the high unemployment and high vacancy of some positions. It is a mismatch and the numbers are cooked, France is importing workforce from abroad (including Romania) for positions that French natives don't want.

loup-vaillant 3y ago
My question is how many? How many unemployed? And how many opened positions? Your wording suggests that the number of opened positions exceeds half of the number of unemployed workers, but what’s your actual numeric estimation?
- AdrianB1 3y ago
  Yes, the number of open positions exceeds even the total number of people looking for a job. The number of unemployed people (they are not "workers", some did not work a day in their life) and the number of people looking for a job are very disconnected around here, living on benefits is preferred by way too many. 1. In some rural areas it is economically more profitable not to work than working a low wage job. You raise some chicken and a pig or cow, grow some food for self-consumption, get benefits, gg 2. Some people go for work in Western Europe for 3 to 6 months, then spend the rest of the year at home doing nothing. Or go to work in the season on the seaside and "rest" for the rest of the year.
  - loup-vaillant 3y ago
    I have some official numbers for France, and they directly contradict what you’re saying: https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/4805248 https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/4805248 https://dares.travail-emploi.gouv.fr/donnees/les-emplois-vacants https://dares.travail-emploi.gouv.fr/donnees/les-emplois-vac... According to our own government, the number of unemployed people in France at the end of last year is estimated at 2.3 millions (7.5% of the active population). the number of open positions for private companies of more than 10 employees (excluding agriculture) is 331,700. I don’t believe for a second that including agriculture and smaller companies would raise this number even close to 1M, let alone 2.3M. The total number is most likely well below 500K. So it looks like in France, there is there is at most 1 open position for every 4 unemployed people able to work. Likely less. Given these numbers, if all the unemployed French people filled every open position overnight, at least 75% of them would remain unemployed. I really, really have a hard time believing your numbers now that I have checked the official numbers for my country. I suggest you check for yours.
    - AdrianB1 3y ago
      I clearly stated I am talking about Romania. I don't have any numbers for France.
      - loup-vaillant 3y ago
        > I clearly stated I am talking about Romania. Sorry, I missed that part. I'm not sure where to find the official numbers there, but the sources I could find suggest the vacancy rates there are still easily less than half the unemployment rates. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1391389/romania-job-vacancy-rate-by-industry/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1391389/romania-job-vaca... https://eures.europa.eu/living-and-working/labour-market-information/labour-market-information-romania_en https://eures.europa.eu/living-and-working/labour-market-inf... Supporting yet again that there are much fewer open jobs than unemployed people. Now I don't know how trustworthy the sources I just linked to are, but from what I've seen so far your current model of unemployment and vacancies seems to be wrong.

loup-vaillant 3y ago

My question is how many? How many unemployed? And how many opened positions? Your wording suggests that the number of opened positions exceeds half of the number of unemployed workers, but what’s your actual numeric estimation?

AdrianB1 3y ago
Yes, the number of open positions exceeds even the total number of people looking for a job. The number of unemployed people (they are not "workers", some did not work a day in their life) and the number of people looking for a job are very disconnected around here, living on benefits is preferred by way too many. 1. In some rural areas it is economically more profitable not to work than working a low wage job. You raise some chicken and a pig or cow, grow some food for self-consumption, get benefits, gg 2. Some people go for work in Western Europe for 3 to 6 months, then spend the rest of the year at home doing nothing. Or go to work in the season on the seaside and "rest" for the rest of the year.
- loup-vaillant 3y ago
  I have some official numbers for France, and they directly contradict what you’re saying: https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/4805248 https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/4805248 https://dares.travail-emploi.gouv.fr/donnees/les-emplois-vacants https://dares.travail-emploi.gouv.fr/donnees/les-emplois-vac... According to our own government, the number of unemployed people in France at the end of last year is estimated at 2.3 millions (7.5% of the active population). the number of open positions for private companies of more than 10 employees (excluding agriculture) is 331,700. I don’t believe for a second that including agriculture and smaller companies would raise this number even close to 1M, let alone 2.3M. The total number is most likely well below 500K. So it looks like in France, there is there is at most 1 open position for every 4 unemployed people able to work. Likely less. Given these numbers, if all the unemployed French people filled every open position overnight, at least 75% of them would remain unemployed. I really, really have a hard time believing your numbers now that I have checked the official numbers for my country. I suggest you check for yours.
  - AdrianB1 3y ago
    I clearly stated I am talking about Romania. I don't have any numbers for France.
    - loup-vaillant 3y ago
      > I clearly stated I am talking about Romania. Sorry, I missed that part. I'm not sure where to find the official numbers there, but the sources I could find suggest the vacancy rates there are still easily less than half the unemployment rates. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1391389/romania-job-vacancy-rate-by-industry/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1391389/romania-job-vaca... https://eures.europa.eu/living-and-working/labour-market-information/labour-market-information-romania_en https://eures.europa.eu/living-and-working/labour-market-inf... Supporting yet again that there are much fewer open jobs than unemployed people. Now I don't know how trustworthy the sources I just linked to are, but from what I've seen so far your current model of unemployment and vacancies seems to be wrong.