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Also higher wealth. It's the poor and the rich that are having children. The middle class has decided to have a hysterectomy for some odd reason. At any rate

Also higher wealth. It's the poor and the rich that are having children. The middle class has decided to have a hysterectomy for some odd reason. At any rate, I just need to outlive the people not having children today, not too hard since they won't have a family safety net or enough to retire on, and I'll stop hearing these arguments since the people who believed them will be dead and the people who didn't listen to them are the only ones who will be around to talk.

giantg2 3y ago
The data I see does not support that. https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-fam...
- llm_trw 3y ago
  That data is far too granular. It stops at middle class as though $200k is something impressive in this day and age.
  - giantg2 3y ago
    " as though $200k is something impressive in this day and age." Middle class is defined as 2x the median, and adjusted for locality. In the vast majority of the US, $200k+ is not middle class and is impressive. "That data is far too granular." It's granular enough to show a trend. Perhaps you have other data to share?
geraldwhen 3y ago
Indeed. My grandchildren will not need to debate these points. And their grandchildren would find the ideas absurd.
jwells89 3y ago
The middle is in an awkward position of higher quality everything for their children being within reach, yet not accessible without taking on significant financial risk – e.g. the kids might have excellent food, housing, schooling, etc but as a result the family would financially be walking a tightrope from which it can be easily knocked off should an unfortunate chain of events befall them. To try to work around this awkwardness and provide the best for their family while mitigating risk, this group is likely to wait as long as possible to accumulate resources to act as padding. Unfortunately it’s not a given that these goals can be met before time runs out on the biological clock.

giantg2 3y ago

The data I see does not support that. https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-fam...

llm_trw 3y ago
That data is far too granular. It stops at middle class as though $200k is something impressive in this day and age.
- giantg2 3y ago
  " as though $200k is something impressive in this day and age." Middle class is defined as 2x the median, and adjusted for locality. In the vast majority of the US, $200k+ is not middle class and is impressive. "That data is far too granular." It's granular enough to show a trend. Perhaps you have other data to share?

geraldwhen 3y ago

Indeed. My grandchildren will not need to debate these points. And their grandchildren would find the ideas absurd.

jwells89 3y ago

The middle is in an awkward position of higher quality everything for their children being within reach, yet not accessible without taking on significant financial risk – e.g. the kids might have excellent food, housing, schooling, etc but as a result the family would financially be walking a tightrope from which it can be easily knocked off should an unfortunate chain of events befall them. To try to work around this awkwardness and provide the best for their family while mitigating risk, this group is likely to wait as long as possible to accumulate resources to act as padding. Unfortunately it’s not a given that these goals can be met before time runs out on the biological clock.