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"This is obvious." Not really. For example, one could outsource childcare to varying degrees depending on wealth. There may be other reasons, perhaps even corr

"This is obvious." Not really. For example, one could outsource childcare to varying degrees depending on wealth. There may be other reasons, perhaps even correlated ones, but I don't see any obvious link between women pursuing careers completely killing cultures.

geraldwhen 3y ago
Show me a nation where women participation in the workforce is significant and population is growing outside of immigration.
- Hamuko 3y ago
  Iceland.
  - CrazyStat 3y ago
    Total fertility rate of 1.59 in 2022 [1], well below replacement. [1] https://www.statice.is/publications/news-archive/inhabitants/births-2022/ https://www.statice.is/publications/news-archive/inhabitants...
    - Hamuko 3y ago
      Still a positive natural population growth (2022 Revision of World Population Prospects). Meanwhile Iran, where women make up about 17% of the total labor force, has only a slightly higher natural population growth and a fertility rate of 1.69.
      - CrazyStat 3y ago
        You can temporarily maintain natural population growth with a fertility rate below replacement, e.g. due to past baby booms. In the long run (50-100 years) it means the population is shrinking.
  - geraldwhen 3y ago
    Below replacement levels, population less than a small US city. Iceland will be a historical footnote in 200 years.
- giantg2 3y ago
  Isreal at 2.9 fertility rate and significant labor force participation.
  - churchill 3y ago
    Israel's population growth is disproportionately drive by the Haredi/ultra-orthodox Jewish communities where their women seek employment quite alright, but often stick to sedentary occupations that give them more time for the home. The parent comment might have been somewhat aggressive, but the West needs t figure this out: once women enter the workforce en masse, birth rates tend to slide down from there. And with the welfare state most Western democracies have built, there's a continuous need for warm bodies to pay taxes and fuel the state's long-term obligations (social security, medicare, etc.). With the way the stance around immigration is changing, importing immigrants won't work as a strategy for very long.
- abdullahkhalids 3y ago
  Go here https://ourworldindata.org/female-labor-force-participation-key-facts https://ourworldindata.org/female-labor-force-participation-... Look at the first chart, "Ratio of female to male labor force participation rates, 1990 to 2021". Switch to Table view and sort by 2021 rates. You will find plenty of countries there with +80% rates which are all growing in population. You can see those numbers here [1]. But presumably you mean rich countries only. Just go down to the second chart on the same page, "Female labor force participation rates by national per capita income". This shows there is no or little correlation between GDP/capita and female participation. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/population-growth https://ourworldindata.org/population-growth
jrflowers 3y ago
He’s not wrong, my man is simply advocating for the cultural model of the Sentinelese. The only cultures that have existed untouched for 200 years are uncontacted tribes, so the retvrn guys are advocating that we get women out of the work force, abandon industry, eliminate language entirely until a new one grows in its place, make American great again (at thatching and the tanning of hides by hand)

geraldwhen 3y ago

Show me a nation where women participation in the workforce is significant and population is growing outside of immigration.

Hamuko 3y ago
Iceland.
- CrazyStat 3y ago
  Total fertility rate of 1.59 in 2022 [1], well below replacement. [1] https://www.statice.is/publications/news-archive/inhabitants/births-2022/ https://www.statice.is/publications/news-archive/inhabitants...
  - Hamuko 3y ago
    Still a positive natural population growth (2022 Revision of World Population Prospects). Meanwhile Iran, where women make up about 17% of the total labor force, has only a slightly higher natural population growth and a fertility rate of 1.69.
    - CrazyStat 3y ago
      You can temporarily maintain natural population growth with a fertility rate below replacement, e.g. due to past baby booms. In the long run (50-100 years) it means the population is shrinking.
- geraldwhen 3y ago
  Below replacement levels, population less than a small US city. Iceland will be a historical footnote in 200 years.
giantg2 3y ago
Isreal at 2.9 fertility rate and significant labor force participation.
- churchill 3y ago
  Israel's population growth is disproportionately drive by the Haredi/ultra-orthodox Jewish communities where their women seek employment quite alright, but often stick to sedentary occupations that give them more time for the home. The parent comment might have been somewhat aggressive, but the West needs t figure this out: once women enter the workforce en masse, birth rates tend to slide down from there. And with the welfare state most Western democracies have built, there's a continuous need for warm bodies to pay taxes and fuel the state's long-term obligations (social security, medicare, etc.). With the way the stance around immigration is changing, importing immigrants won't work as a strategy for very long.
abdullahkhalids 3y ago
Go here https://ourworldindata.org/female-labor-force-participation-key-facts https://ourworldindata.org/female-labor-force-participation-... Look at the first chart, "Ratio of female to male labor force participation rates, 1990 to 2021". Switch to Table view and sort by 2021 rates. You will find plenty of countries there with +80% rates which are all growing in population. You can see those numbers here [1]. But presumably you mean rich countries only. Just go down to the second chart on the same page, "Female labor force participation rates by national per capita income". This shows there is no or little correlation between GDP/capita and female participation. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/population-growth https://ourworldindata.org/population-growth

jrflowers 3y ago

He’s not wrong, my man is simply advocating for the cultural model of the Sentinelese. The only cultures that have existed untouched for 200 years are uncontacted tribes, so the retvrn guys are advocating that we get women out of the work force, abandon industry, eliminate language entirely until a new one grows in its place, make American great again (at thatching and the tanning of hides by hand)