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People’s Peace Treaty of 1971 (2021)

30 points by ohjeez 3y ago

jimbob45 3y ago
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zoklet-enjoyer 3y ago
My girlfriend's kid goes to Macalester. Cool seeing this posted here
EGreg 3y ago
"Citizens Peace Treaty". Those words sound so nice to libertarian ears. Oh, if only the citizens of the countries could just get together, throw out their warring politicians, and make peace. Wouldn't that be nice.
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- mistermann 3y ago
  Alas, the dishes and laundry can't do themselves. Also, domestic chores aren't contrary to (potential) government de facto policy, and thus don't come with extreme risk.
  - tomoyoirl 3y ago
    Excuse me, sir, but I cannot read your message and come to any coherent conclusion that is related to the post you’re replying to. Governments, war, peace, libertarians… dishes, laundry? I am wondering, earnestly, if you could explain it plainly with as few rhetorical flourishes as possible, that I might be able to follow. You are welcome for these purposes to consider me just a little bit dense (but well-meaning).
    - mistermann 3y ago
      Abstract ideas will remain abstract until a concrete implementation is actually implemented. It's a tautology, but there seems to be something additional that's weird/absurd about it to most people (kind of like, it cannot be taken seriously)...it's hard to explain. I think this essay might be trying to articulate the same/similar thing maybe (I'm guessing here): https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/21/universal-love-said-the-cactus-person/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/21/universal-love-said-th...
mortb 3y ago
These days noone seems to have peace to the world as a dream and driving force. I grew up in the spirit that we should try to achieve peace everywhere. Nowadays when people think about war they think about cool technology, who wins all the resources and they think earning money selling weapons. If WW3 really gets off I feel pretty sure it's going to end in science fiction with AI, robots and lasers, it's no longer just stories. Perhaps we will all end up in a Skynet/Terminator scenario? When the technology is there, who will end up controlling it - big tech or the technology itself? I stopped caring about making innovations a couple of years ago - noone is ever trying to mitigate the doomsday. We're not this dumb, we could use our innovations to do some real good. The number of comments on this post is quite telling. Hope to see ya all in another future, not the one we're heading for. I just wish people did care.
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- totetsu 3y ago
  Somehow peace became uncool or like last last generations style. Hopefully it’s coming back in fashion.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    I know what you mean, but the problem is that people make these critical decisions based on fashion. IME, in my anecodotal and subjective observations, that's what drives most of them and it's maddening. More specifically, they seem to shop between different 'brands', like consumers (perhaps a product of conditioning), and then like loyal consumers they support whatever the brand sells. It's like making food and shelter into fashion - are you going to stop eating this year? What's the brand selling? Starvation?
  - mortb 3y ago
    We've been made accustomed to fast feedback. Technology moves rapidly and therefore gives us quick feedback (dopamine). Peace processes move slowly and therefore gives less dopamine for those involved. Now, what would the junkie in you choose to pursue?
YZF 3y ago
I was curious what happened to the leader of that peace delegation, seems like an interesting story: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/magazine/1641401/david-ifshins-journey/ https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/magazine/1641401/david-if... Why can't we all get along is a good question. I had no clue when I was the age of those students, and I still don't.

30 points by ohjeez 3y ago

jimbob45 3y ago

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zoklet-enjoyer 3y ago

My girlfriend's kid goes to Macalester. Cool seeing this posted here

EGreg 3y ago

"Citizens Peace Treaty". Those words sound so nice to libertarian ears. Oh, if only the citizens of the countries could just get together, throw out their warring politicians, and make peace. Wouldn't that be nice.

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mistermann 3y ago
Alas, the dishes and laundry can't do themselves. Also, domestic chores aren't contrary to (potential) government de facto policy, and thus don't come with extreme risk.
- tomoyoirl 3y ago
  Excuse me, sir, but I cannot read your message and come to any coherent conclusion that is related to the post you’re replying to. Governments, war, peace, libertarians… dishes, laundry? I am wondering, earnestly, if you could explain it plainly with as few rhetorical flourishes as possible, that I might be able to follow. You are welcome for these purposes to consider me just a little bit dense (but well-meaning).
  - mistermann 3y ago
    Abstract ideas will remain abstract until a concrete implementation is actually implemented. It's a tautology, but there seems to be something additional that's weird/absurd about it to most people (kind of like, it cannot be taken seriously)...it's hard to explain. I think this essay might be trying to articulate the same/similar thing maybe (I'm guessing here): https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/21/universal-love-said-the-cactus-person/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/21/universal-love-said-th...

mortb 3y ago

These days noone seems to have peace to the world as a dream and driving force. I grew up in the spirit that we should try to achieve peace everywhere. Nowadays when people think about war they think about cool technology, who wins all the resources and they think earning money selling weapons. If WW3 really gets off I feel pretty sure it's going to end in science fiction with AI, robots and lasers, it's no longer just stories. Perhaps we will all end up in a Skynet/Terminator scenario? When the technology is there, who will end up controlling it - big tech or the technology itself? I stopped caring about making innovations a couple of years ago - noone is ever trying to mitigate the doomsday. We're not this dumb, we could use our innovations to do some real good. The number of comments on this post is quite telling. Hope to see ya all in another future, not the one we're heading for. I just wish people did care.

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totetsu 3y ago
Somehow peace became uncool or like last last generations style. Hopefully it’s coming back in fashion.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  I know what you mean, but the problem is that people make these critical decisions based on fashion. IME, in my anecodotal and subjective observations, that's what drives most of them and it's maddening. More specifically, they seem to shop between different 'brands', like consumers (perhaps a product of conditioning), and then like loyal consumers they support whatever the brand sells. It's like making food and shelter into fashion - are you going to stop eating this year? What's the brand selling? Starvation?
- mortb 3y ago
  We've been made accustomed to fast feedback. Technology moves rapidly and therefore gives us quick feedback (dopamine). Peace processes move slowly and therefore gives less dopamine for those involved. Now, what would the junkie in you choose to pursue?

YZF 3y ago

I was curious what happened to the leader of that peace delegation, seems like an interesting story: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/magazine/1641401/david-ifshins-journey/ https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/magazine/1641401/david-if... Why can't we all get along is a good question. I had no clue when I was the age of those students, and I still don't.