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i am puzzled why people think there is true intelligence in AI. IMHO it is advanced interpolation or morphing similar to the photo morphing tools of the 90s. if

by b20000 3y ago

i am puzzled why people think there is true intelligence in AI. IMHO it is advanced interpolation or morphing similar to the photo morphing tools of the 90s. if the data is not in the model you can’t get it out. you can only get interpolations out of it of data in the model. the more sophisticated the interpolation the more people think there is intelligence. maybe i am missing something but this is what i perceive.

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tomNth 3y ago
And true intelligence can get data they don't have ? true intelligence isn't magic.
- b20000 3y ago
  humans have imagination and creativity and other qualities …
  - optimalsolver 3y ago
    Could you specify a set of tasks you believe AI won't be able to do?
    - b20000 3y ago
      IMHO AI will be able to generate solutions close to the best solution for a problem, with the remaining distance to be covered by humans. the question is whether the cost of using AI to generate a solution, and then fixing it manually, will be lower, or higher, than building the solution using humans. as we have seen before with wizards and other tools to generate solutions, the cost of fixing the solution is often times higher than it is to just build it from scratch manually. also, as humans use AI more and more, there will be less and less material to use for training that is high quality, and AI will train on itself, leading to a rapid decline in quality of the output.
  - tomNth 3y ago
    And those aren't sophisticated interpolation ?
    - b20000 3y ago
      no
ben_w 3y ago
> if the data is not in the model you can’t get it out That's trivially also true for humans, you can't get out of your brain something that isn't in it. If you meant "external training set", then it's false for both AI and humans, as demonstrated by e.g. AlphaZero getting superhuman performance despite zero examples of human games of Go or Chess.

by b20000 3y ago

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tomNth 3y ago

And true intelligence can get data they don't have ? true intelligence isn't magic.

b20000 3y ago
humans have imagination and creativity and other qualities …
- optimalsolver 3y ago
  Could you specify a set of tasks you believe AI won't be able to do?
  - b20000 3y ago
    IMHO AI will be able to generate solutions close to the best solution for a problem, with the remaining distance to be covered by humans. the question is whether the cost of using AI to generate a solution, and then fixing it manually, will be lower, or higher, than building the solution using humans. as we have seen before with wizards and other tools to generate solutions, the cost of fixing the solution is often times higher than it is to just build it from scratch manually. also, as humans use AI more and more, there will be less and less material to use for training that is high quality, and AI will train on itself, leading to a rapid decline in quality of the output.
- tomNth 3y ago
  And those aren't sophisticated interpolation ?
  - b20000 3y ago
    no

ben_w 3y ago

> if the data is not in the model you can’t get it out That's trivially also true for humans, you can't get out of your brain something that isn't in it. If you meant "external training set", then it's false for both AI and humans, as demonstrated by e.g. AlphaZero getting superhuman performance despite zero examples of human games of Go or Chess.