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Pirate Bay Founder Peter Sunde Requests Pardon
- bobsy 14y agoI don't understand. Its only 8 months. While i don't agree with the verdict, his peers found him guilty. "I can't go to prison because my new company needs me." is surely not a reason to avoid prison. I am sure the prison has doctors and can treat the majority of ailments and illnesses.
- sohn 14y ago"It's only 8 months" Yes I'd like to see you in prison for 8 months
- yummybear 14y agoI think his point is not that prison is nice, but that 8 months away from a company is survivable for the company. Mothers do it all the time with maternaty leave (and fathers as well).
- bluedanieru 14y agoIn Sweden? Not saying I would want to go either, but if I had to do eight months in prison in a country of my choosing Sweden would top the list.
- iso8859-1 14y agohttp://www.vice.com/vice-news/norwegian-prisons http://www.vice.com/vice-news/norwegian-prisons
- kahawe 14y agoI cannot speak specifically for Sweden but there are definitely different kinds of prison in other European countries and within the legal system it is sort-of common knowledge which ones are for white-collar crime and which ones are for the really tough guys - and prisoners get sent to the "right place" accordingly.
- hej 14y agoNo idiotic juries in Sweden. Get out of your bubble.
- corin_ 14y agoWhat exactly don't you understand? If you had an option, no matter how unlikely to succeed it might be, to avoid going to prison would you not at least attempt it? No ruling has been made, just a request - why would he ever not make that request?
- danssig 14y agoI find locking people away from their life for more than a day or two absolutely barbaric. I'm surprised a country often rated most democratic in the world locks people away for non-violent offenses.
- dagw 14y agoSo what should the punishment be for non-violent offenses?
- mikehuffman 14y agoForced public service.
- danssig 14y agoThere are many options. Charge them money (and ensure you can force them to pay it back, e.g. wage garnishing), public service was suggested, etc. Looking them away from their life seems incredibly excessive.
- hej 14y agoI’m totally in favor of mild punishments and I do think that imprisonment is barbaric and should be avoided if at all possible, but money as a punishment, for example, is not without problems. It basically gets rich people of the hook. If there is a flat rate to pay, that’s the case anyway, but even if the punishment is a percentage of someone’s income, this disproportionally hits poor people. Poor people need all their money to survive – pay rent, pay heating, pay food – there is nothing extra, no money to save. Once you are making several dozen times that money, a monetary punishment hits you disproportionally milder. It’s funny that you seem to be worried about the poor for which this type of punishment is probably absolutely devastating and not very likely to have any positive results at all. The poor are a problem, not because they might not pay, but because the punishment might be excessive and not lead to a positive outcome for them (i.e. it doesn’t prevent repeat offenses). Preventing repeat offenses and being a deterrent seem like the only two legitimate justifications for punishment to me, and I’m not sure whether money can do that.
- loceng 14y agoI believe the value of a person to a society can come into account in rulings, mostly with non-violent offences.
- syn3rgy 14y agoI can't help but wonder: What is the point of the 11$ million debt? He'll obviously never be able to pay even the tiniest part of the money, so why bother? How do they calculate the monetary "damages" any way?
- bluelu 14y agoSure he can. He (and probably is still doing) made lots of money through advertisements on thepiratebay.
- wyclif 14y agoActually, I don't think that's at all probable. See the comment on the Torrentfreak thread about all that. There is a tremendous amount of expense in running TPB.
- benologist 14y agoA tremendous amount of expense where? Servers are cheap, bandwidth is cheap and they don't do trackers or even serve torrent files now, and they don't produce content. The only thing there's a tremendous amount of is ad impressions.
- wyclif 14y agoLike I said, that's all dealt with on the OP thread. Did you not read it? No? Let's review then: 1. Legal costs. 2. Operators for each mirror. 3. High prices for server costs. 4. Multiple residences. 5. Difficulty in attracting large advertisers.
- dagw 14y agoWhat is the point of the 11$ million debt? They can use it to put a lien on his future earnings, basically extending his punishment for as long as they feel like it.
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- __alexs 14y agoI find the idea of openly pardoning people based on business interests extremely disturbing. Is this a thing outside of Sweden too?
- kahawe 14y ago> After being found guilty of copyright offenses in connection with the operations of The Pirate Bay Did Sweden fundamentally change their copyright laws or how could the piratebay guys be found guilty, in detail?
- olalonde 14y agoThey downloaded copyrighted material illegally?
- gizzlon 14y agohuh? In what way did they download anything?
- acuozzo 14y ago> They downloaded copyrighted material illegally? Are you asking this or is it a statement-question?
- olalonde 14y agoI was guessing... since TPB is still in operation I assumed their crime was not running TPB but more likely piracy.
- Schmidt 14y agoThey may have, but the charges were "assisting copyright infringment" and not copyright infringement. (Medhjälp till upphovsrättsbrott).
- olalonde 14y agoI stand corrected. I was under the impression that the charges were unrelated to TPB since TPB is still in operation.
- kahawe 14y ago> They downloaded copyrighted material illegally? Are you asking me or is this supposed to be an answer? Because TPB did certainly not DOWNLOAD "copyrighted material illegally?" and they never UPloaded it either and for many, many years they were defacto untouchable under Swedish law and were publicly ridiculing legal threats made against them because of that. So my question was a lot more detailed and valid than you probably assumed and either way please refrain from statement-questions as these are just plain rude.
- truncate 14y agoHe should be happy that he is not going to prison atleast! (electronically tagged in his apartment)