> Cloud and terraform gives you those * your stack almost always ends up closely tied to one cloud provider. I've done and seen cloud migrations. They are so p

> Cloud and terraform gives you those * your stack almost always ends up closely tied to one cloud provider. I've done and seen cloud migrations. They are so painful and costly that they often just aren't attempted. * Cloud services make it much harder to run your stack locally and on CI. There are solutions and workarounds, but they are all painful. And you always end up tied to the behaviour of the particular cloud services > but you don’t need one tool to do all of those things To get the same experience, you do. And I don't see why you would want multiple tools. If anything, Kubernetes isn't nearly integrated and full-featured enough, because it has too many pluggable parts leading to too much choice and interfacing complexity. Like pluggable ingress, pluggable state database, pluggable networking stack, no simple "end to end app" solution ( KNative, etc), ... This overblown flexibility is what leads to most of the pain and perceived complexity, IMO.