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I push for k8s because I know it. Why not use something that I know how to use? I know how to quickly set up a cluster, what to deploy, and teach other team mem

I push for k8s because I know it. Why not use something that I know how to use? I know how to quickly set up a cluster, what to deploy, and teach other team members about fundamentals. How many people out there really need C# or object oriented programming? The argument you present might be valid if you decide to use a tech stack prior having much experience with it.

nprateem 3y ago
Yeah that's the point. You know it and stuff everyone else.
- p_l 3y ago
  Some custom bash/python/ansible monstrosity is only going to be known by few brains in the world. K8s is remarkably easier to retain institutional knowledge as well as spread it.
  - nprateem 3y ago
    If you're expecting app/FE devs to have to learn it you're putting a ton of barriers in their way in terms of deploying. Just chucking a container on a non-k8s managed platform (e.g. Cloud Run) would be much simpler, and no pile of bash scripts.
    - p_l 3y ago
      PaaSes are for companies with money to burn, most of the time. A good k8s team (even a single person, to be quite honest) is going to work towards providing your application teams with simple templates to let them deploy their software easily. Just let them do it. Also, in my experience, you either have to spend ridiculous amounts of money on SaaS/PaaS, or you find that you have to host a lot more than just your application and suddenly the deployment story becomes more complex. Depending on where you are and how much you're willing to burn money, you might find out that k8s experts are cheaper than the money saved by not going PaaS.
    - foverzar 3y ago
      > If you're expecting app/FE devs to have to learn it Why would anyone expect it? It's not their job, is it? We don't expect backend devs to know frontend and vice-versa, or any of them to have AWS certification. Why would it be different with k8s? > Just chucking a container on a non-k8s managed platform (e.g. Cloud Run) would be much simpler, and no pile of bash scripts. Simpler to deploy, sure, but not to actually run it seriously in the long term. Though, if we are talking about A container (as in singular), k8s would indeed be some serious over-engineering
- k8sToGo 3y ago
  If it’s about the knowledge of everyone else, why was I hired as a cloud engineer? Everyone else in my team was more R&D

nprateem 3y ago

Yeah that's the point. You know it and stuff everyone else.

p_l 3y ago
Some custom bash/python/ansible monstrosity is only going to be known by few brains in the world. K8s is remarkably easier to retain institutional knowledge as well as spread it.
- nprateem 3y ago
  If you're expecting app/FE devs to have to learn it you're putting a ton of barriers in their way in terms of deploying. Just chucking a container on a non-k8s managed platform (e.g. Cloud Run) would be much simpler, and no pile of bash scripts.
  - p_l 3y ago
    PaaSes are for companies with money to burn, most of the time. A good k8s team (even a single person, to be quite honest) is going to work towards providing your application teams with simple templates to let them deploy their software easily. Just let them do it. Also, in my experience, you either have to spend ridiculous amounts of money on SaaS/PaaS, or you find that you have to host a lot more than just your application and suddenly the deployment story becomes more complex. Depending on where you are and how much you're willing to burn money, you might find out that k8s experts are cheaper than the money saved by not going PaaS.
  - foverzar 3y ago
    > If you're expecting app/FE devs to have to learn it Why would anyone expect it? It's not their job, is it? We don't expect backend devs to know frontend and vice-versa, or any of them to have AWS certification. Why would it be different with k8s? > Just chucking a container on a non-k8s managed platform (e.g. Cloud Run) would be much simpler, and no pile of bash scripts. Simpler to deploy, sure, but not to actually run it seriously in the long term. Though, if we are talking about A container (as in singular), k8s would indeed be some serious over-engineering
k8sToGo 3y ago
If it’s about the knowledge of everyone else, why was I hired as a cloud engineer? Everyone else in my team was more R&D