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Women outnumber men in South Korea's sports stadiums
- MarcusE1W 3y agoArchive link: https://archive.is/7OwxO https://archive.is/7OwxO
- neonate 3y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20240301051606/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/20/world/asia/women-sports-fans-south-korea.html https://web.archive.org/web/20240301051606/https://www.nytim...
- cubefox 3y agoInterestingly, this has a different subtitle and is missing the "Why" that is present in the title element of the current version. Presumably subtle SEO optimization was applied after the fact.
- richrichie 3y ago“ A banner … signed by a club called “Women Rooting for Cho Gue-sung’s Pursuit of Happiness.” Knowing Korean women, this seems to me a bad engliah translation of a very corny phrase.
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- gumby 3y agoIn America “root” means “barrack” so probably the translation pun you were thinking of wasn’t intended.
- dgoldstein0 3y agoBarrack??? Was that a typo? As a verb, it means "cheer" - they are cheering for him. Plenty of other meanings use as a noun, but that's not how it's used here
- HPsquared 3y agoLooks like it's an Aus/NZ thing. Funnily enough the British meaning is the opposite (to jeer).
- gumby 3y agoYes, but in Australia root means to fuck. Also the somewhat old fashioned phrase “Up the [magpies or other team]” also would have the opposite meaning in the US than it does in Aus. In fact I hear the US meaning more and more, probably due to TV
- LargeTomato 3y ago"Root for" someone means to cheer for someone or look forward to someone's success. You root for sports teams, your kid to do well on their test, or for your candidate to win an election. Barrack in British English can mean to jeer or boo someone. That's the opposite of root. I've never heard the word barrack used like this in America.
- gumby 3y agoIn australia we use barrack the opposite way you do, apparently. I assumed the GP was an aussie, but it seems some people didn't like my comment.
- almostnormal 3y agoThe article mentions family-friedliness. That indicates a non-vanishing number of women at the events have kids and are likley in a relationship. Would men in other societies accept their significant other rooting for other men with corny phrases? I'm reading "horny" here, but nontheless. Would the female partner accept that the male one brings his cameras for photos of cheerleaders only? I'm pretty sure it is "no", which explains why this isn't similar elsewhere. Is this small piece of understanding I tried to derive anywhere near correct? (I don't think I should ask my korean colleagues for verification.)
- Dalewyn 3y ago>The article mentions family-friedliness. That indicates a non-vanishing number of women at the events have kids and are likley in a relationship. I don't have kids but I would nonetheless appreciate family friendliness. It's a public event in a public space, after all. Sex and implications of such should be left within the walls of your bedroom, or at least a love hotel. >Would men in other societies accept their significant other rooting for other men with corny phrases? I'm reading "horny" here, but nontheless. >Would the female partner accept that the male one brings his cameras for photos of cheerleaders only? Why not? If anything, demanding someone not do something for no reason besides "I am offended." is a flagrant violation of human rights. I'm not married and never plan to, but hypothetically if I had a wife and she wanted to cheer for a man besides me? More power to her, I say. It's none of my business. I too would cheer for a woman besides her if I felt like it.
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- t3rra 3y agoHaha... very funny... not
- loup-vaillant 3y agoThe downvote is surprising: e-sports is big in South Korea, so there's an obvious question: what's the female to male ratio in e-sport stadium? I personally wouldn't use the regular sports stadium as evidence of anything before I know more about South Korea.
- cubefox 3y agoSummary: They don't really know why, just a few speculative explanations (stadium safety and the influence of "K-pop fan culture").
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- crazydoggers 3y agoIs there some correlation here with the world lowest fertility rate? Edit: Legitimate question, not insinuating anything. If questions are off limits, that’s pretty sad for inquiry, understanding and knowledge. It’s a legitimate question as the article points out such a male/female inversion of fans is unique. Maybe women choosing different lifestyles, which is 100% their choice. But can still be correlated. Or other factors at play? The article doesn’t have answers. So questions are what we are left with.
- geraldwhen 3y agoAny culture where women choose to pursue careers is a culture that will not exist in 200 years, including South Korea. Motherhood is a full time job. This is obvious.
- crazydoggers 3y agoThat’s a very sexist take, and not supported at all by the data. There are plenty of very successful women raising families. I have a relative where both the father and mother are very successful engineers working full time. Their two girls are doing amazing and going to top schools. Raising children is full time, but both parents can and should be a part of it.
- geraldwhen 3y agoTwo girls. 2.1 is replacement rate. Some do manage to have 2-3 kids! But many do not. And the cultures that do not push women into careers are more able to grow their population. Is there any country on earth with a neutral or positive population growth where women are encouraged to pursue careers? As far as I know, not a single country that has a significant female career participation rate has a 2.1+ child rate per family outside of immigration.
- crazydoggers 3y agoOkay, well I did a little googling and came across this data.. it does seem having 3 or more children equates with negative effects on women being able to have a career. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/women-three-children_n_895517/amp https://www.huffpost.com/entry/women-three-children_n_895517... But it seems to me the issue is not that women are choosing to have careers, but that the work/career culture is not supporting women choosing to have children. So things like better maternity and paternity leave, allowing women to take years off, or part time without consequence to career, etc. So takeaway should be, support our population by better supporting working mothers.
- Tycho 3y agoThe way going girls go crazy for pop stars is a bit like how sports teams supporters act when their team scores.
- Jensson 3y agoMarketing sports stars like you market pop stars is probably the secret sauce here.
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- motohagiography 3y agoSpeculatively, sports were almost exclusively a masculine pastime until feminine participation rose above 10%, and somewhere around that threshold it may have had a cascading effect? https://freakonomics.com/2011/07/minority-rules-why-10-percent-is-all-you-need/ https://freakonomics.com/2011/07/minority-rules-why-10-perce... https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110725190044.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110725190044.h... Boys generally don't aspire to do the things girls do, and so it's plausible it's the effect of them switching away from sports and activities where girls' participation rises above 10%. If there were predictive power in that, we could assess in a few years whether things like BJJ, and weight lifting at gyms, golf, and maybe camping go the same way. I'd offer other examples to test but there aren't really any male activities left that aren't considered too low status to attract that 10% threshold.
- givemeethekeys 3y agoI don't know about this. Ping pong and badminton are immensely enjoyable and played by both boys and girls without regard for the other's level of participation. Female participation in track hasn't reduced male participation. The US female running team is incredible - with the level of flash and charisma that's on par with the the best men in history (I'm thinking Usain Bolt). Other sports such as surfing have seen much higher participation from women - their skills and quality has improved considerably, but that doesn't seem to be making the boys avoid surfing. I think many boys just want to play with someone that's close to or better than their skill level. I think this is also true of many girls. Then there are people that want to just play "for fun", but things get ugly when one person's fun is another person's utter boredom.
- scotty79 3y agoI think they meant the activity of watching sports not actually playing sports. It might be true for some activities but not others. And it might be true for sports watching ... or not.
- motohagiography 3y agoTrack and field is an interesting control case as men and women don't compete against one another or practice together in it, where these other sports that are increasingly mixed would be the ones to watch for this 10% rule change dynamic. I was referring to audience, but it's a general "space," thing, where Korean baseball games may have crossed that threshold and then become more feminine spaces as a conseqeunce.
- vishalontheline 3y agoDoes this translate down to the minor leagues and little leagues - are there more female sports fans in general in South Korea?