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Are we though? All I see is a lot of effort followed by a lot of reaching (yet again) for the aspirin and/or whiskey. Have you any examples showing recent conv

Are we though? All I see is a lot of effort followed by a lot of reaching (yet again) for the aspirin and/or whiskey. Have you any examples showing recent convergence between quantum & relativity?

FredPret 3y ago
Pessimism much? We have GPS satellites orbiting, we can land a robot on a specific spot on Mars, and we can make a ton of predictions about how the universe should look on both huge and tiny scales and have those pan out. Sure we don't have a single theory of everything yet, but our mental model is asymptotically converging to our observations.
- _a_a_a_ 3y ago
  > Pessimism much I'm asking for facts, hope doesn't come into it. > ...our mental model is asymptotically converging Which is not what I'm picking up, so have you any evidence to change my mind? TIA
  - FredPret 3y ago
    If you're able to look at the modern world and all it's marvels - none of which are possible without a testable and provable understanding of an increasing fraction what's out there - and you'd still rather be down in the dumps, there's no amount of evidence anyone can offer that would change your mind.
    - _a_a_a_ 3y ago
      Have you any evidence of quantum and relativistic theories converging? If so, please point. I'm unaware of any.
      - FredPret 3y ago
        Nobody claimed that these two theories are converging. I said our overall mental model of reality is converging with reality. We're zeroing in on the truth. One day that might include a unified theory.
        _a_a_a_ 3y ago
        dave333 said > So which of today's accepted theories are in error? Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity do not agree so at least one must be incorrect yet both are widely if not completely accepted. You (FredPret) responded > We're certainly zero-ing in on the truth though, which is extremely exciting I had to read that as you implying closing in on some resolution of QM with relativity. Hence my confusion.
        FredPret 3y ago
        Ah I get it. You're right, my original post was ambiguous, and wrong from that point of view. Sorry for my snark.
        _a_a_a_ 3y ago
        Nah probs mate, it happens

Are we though? All I see is a lot of effort followed by a lot of reaching (yet again) for the aspirin and/or whiskey. Have you any examples showing recent convergence between quantum & relativity?

FredPret 3y ago

Pessimism much? We have GPS satellites orbiting, we can land a robot on a specific spot on Mars, and we can make a ton of predictions about how the universe should look on both huge and tiny scales and have those pan out. Sure we don't have a single theory of everything yet, but our mental model is asymptotically converging to our observations.

_a_a_a_ 3y ago
> Pessimism much I'm asking for facts, hope doesn't come into it. > ...our mental model is asymptotically converging Which is not what I'm picking up, so have you any evidence to change my mind? TIA
- FredPret 3y ago
  If you're able to look at the modern world and all it's marvels - none of which are possible without a testable and provable understanding of an increasing fraction what's out there - and you'd still rather be down in the dumps, there's no amount of evidence anyone can offer that would change your mind.
  - _a_a_a_ 3y ago
    Have you any evidence of quantum and relativistic theories converging? If so, please point. I'm unaware of any.
    - FredPret 3y ago
      Nobody claimed that these two theories are converging. I said our overall mental model of reality is converging with reality. We're zeroing in on the truth. One day that might include a unified theory.
      - _a_a_a_ 3y ago
        dave333 said > So which of today's accepted theories are in error? Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity do not agree so at least one must be incorrect yet both are widely if not completely accepted. You (FredPret) responded > We're certainly zero-ing in on the truth though, which is extremely exciting I had to read that as you implying closing in on some resolution of QM with relativity. Hence my confusion.
        FredPret 3y ago
        Ah I get it. You're right, my original post was ambiguous, and wrong from that point of view. Sorry for my snark.
        _a_a_a_ 3y ago
        Nah probs mate, it happens