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I think the use of AI to control women's appearance in either direction is the root of the problem.

JackSlateur 3y ago
Why ? People (women and men, both with their own methods) are the root of the problem. Remember: tech is never the issue. People are.
- klyrs 3y ago
  Guns don't kill people; people with ready access to murder weapons kill people
  - JackSlateur 3y ago
    That is correct People killed other people long before guns were a thing
    - klyrs 3y ago
      Yes, they did. And how about murderous rampages at schools, were those common before technology eased the way?
      - NeutralCrane 3y ago
        Were they common before 30 years ago? Guns have been around for centuries. School rampages are a very, very new phenomenon, comparatively.
        klyrs 3y ago
        Well, we're approaching the 25th anniversary of Columbine. But 35 years ago, my neighborhood was equipped with quite a lot of Uzis and Mac-11s, and we had quite a lot of mass shootings. Only they were called "drive-bys" and nobody circled the wagons to preserve the historical tradition of access to such equipment. At what point did ordinary people get easy access to weapons that have high capacity and rapid fire? That's when we see a rise in mass shootings. Today, ordinary people are getting access to tools which can quickly and easily make better fakes than experts with photoshop could do even 5 years ago.
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        fragmede 3y ago
        No they're not. The first reconized school shooting was in 1764, with the Enoch Brown school massacre. There have been school shootings ever since. (Unless you want to argue that the 1700s wasn't that long ago, which it also wasn't, but I don't think that's where you're coming from.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(before_2000)?wprov=sfti1#1840s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_th...
      - JackSlateur 3y ago
        Sorry, is this an american issue I'm too european to understand ? A well-known example is Swisserland, where lots of people have guns but somehow do not use them to kill people. Another well-known example is France, where people use knives to cut other people's heads.
        klyrs 3y ago
        Oh, aye? What's the record on mass decapitations at knifepoint? And are you actually comparing a trained militia to randos buying military hardware without any accountability or oversight? Because generative AI isn't only accessible to trained and licensed practitioners, is it?
        JackSlateur 3y ago
        Lots of people die by the blade in 2024 The US is not a good representation of the world. "Trained militia", you mean every random citizens and its family (the guns are kept are home) ? Then yes, this is it
      - gs17 3y ago
        China had a rash of school attacks with knives in recent decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China The deadliest school attack in US history was the Bath bombing, which did involve a gun, but most victims were not from it. The common factor is mental health, not firearms.
        acdha 3y ago
        Both of those are deceptive comparisons: that page will tell you that China has had 90 fatalities in total since 2010 whereas despite being a third the size we have had 13,500 mass shooting deaths. Similarly, while the Bath bombing killed about a third more people than the deadliest school shooting (only ⅔ of the deadliest mass shooting) the difference is that you had to go back a century for that example whereas the shooting toll for any recent decade is higher. The common factor is easy access to firearms. Every country has mentally ill people, every country has embittered people who are mad at the world, but only the United States has removed the restrictions on gun access which allow those people to engage in mass shootings. That started in the late 1970s and the contrast with our peers is staggering: Australia has many cultural similarities but they actually value life and tightened their gun control laws after the Port Arthur shooting, while we’ve loosened ours and have hundreds of thousands of more deaths.
  - salawat 3y ago
    >Guns don't kill people; people kill people. Fix't that for you. Anything is a weapon. The resulting high score is merely a matter of practice. No exceptions.
    - klyrs 3y ago
      No exceptions? You're telling me that an untrained person would be equally lethal with a waterbottle or a Tommy gun because everything is a weapon?
      - salawat 3y ago
        No, I'm saying everything is a weapon in the hands of someone with intent to harm. The person is from whence the danger stems. Not the thing.
        klyrs 3y ago
        Technology is a force multiplier. You aren't making sense.
zer8k 3y ago
It's never a problem until it effects women, isn't it?

Why ? People (women and men, both with their own methods) are the root of the problem. Remember: tech is never the issue. People are.

klyrs 3y ago
Guns don't kill people; people with ready access to murder weapons kill people
- JackSlateur 3y ago
  That is correct People killed other people long before guns were a thing
  - klyrs 3y ago
    Yes, they did. And how about murderous rampages at schools, were those common before technology eased the way?
    - NeutralCrane 3y ago
      Were they common before 30 years ago? Guns have been around for centuries. School rampages are a very, very new phenomenon, comparatively.
      - klyrs 3y ago
        Well, we're approaching the 25th anniversary of Columbine. But 35 years ago, my neighborhood was equipped with quite a lot of Uzis and Mac-11s, and we had quite a lot of mass shootings. Only they were called "drive-bys" and nobody circled the wagons to preserve the historical tradition of access to such equipment. At what point did ordinary people get easy access to weapons that have high capacity and rapid fire? That's when we see a rise in mass shootings. Today, ordinary people are getting access to tools which can quickly and easily make better fakes than experts with photoshop could do even 5 years ago.
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      - fragmede 3y ago
        No they're not. The first reconized school shooting was in 1764, with the Enoch Brown school massacre. There have been school shootings ever since. (Unless you want to argue that the 1700s wasn't that long ago, which it also wasn't, but I don't think that's where you're coming from.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(before_2000)?wprov=sfti1#1840s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_th...
    - JackSlateur 3y ago
      Sorry, is this an american issue I'm too european to understand ? A well-known example is Swisserland, where lots of people have guns but somehow do not use them to kill people. Another well-known example is France, where people use knives to cut other people's heads.
      - klyrs 3y ago
        Oh, aye? What's the record on mass decapitations at knifepoint? And are you actually comparing a trained militia to randos buying military hardware without any accountability or oversight? Because generative AI isn't only accessible to trained and licensed practitioners, is it?
        JackSlateur 3y ago
        Lots of people die by the blade in 2024 The US is not a good representation of the world. "Trained militia", you mean every random citizens and its family (the guns are kept are home) ? Then yes, this is it
    - gs17 3y ago
      China had a rash of school attacks with knives in recent decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China The deadliest school attack in US history was the Bath bombing, which did involve a gun, but most victims were not from it. The common factor is mental health, not firearms.
      - acdha 3y ago
        Both of those are deceptive comparisons: that page will tell you that China has had 90 fatalities in total since 2010 whereas despite being a third the size we have had 13,500 mass shooting deaths. Similarly, while the Bath bombing killed about a third more people than the deadliest school shooting (only ⅔ of the deadliest mass shooting) the difference is that you had to go back a century for that example whereas the shooting toll for any recent decade is higher. The common factor is easy access to firearms. Every country has mentally ill people, every country has embittered people who are mad at the world, but only the United States has removed the restrictions on gun access which allow those people to engage in mass shootings. That started in the late 1970s and the contrast with our peers is staggering: Australia has many cultural similarities but they actually value life and tightened their gun control laws after the Port Arthur shooting, while we’ve loosened ours and have hundreds of thousands of more deaths.
- salawat 3y ago
  >Guns don't kill people; people kill people. Fix't that for you. Anything is a weapon. The resulting high score is merely a matter of practice. No exceptions.
  - klyrs 3y ago
    No exceptions? You're telling me that an untrained person would be equally lethal with a waterbottle or a Tommy gun because everything is a weapon?
    - salawat 3y ago
      No, I'm saying everything is a weapon in the hands of someone with intent to harm. The person is from whence the danger stems. Not the thing.
      - klyrs 3y ago
        Technology is a force multiplier. You aren't making sense.

zer8k 3y ago

It's never a problem until it effects women, isn't it?