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> since I lived in the U.S a long time and never experienced this snapping thing I felt what, no way, this is crazy. Thank you for the candor. I agree that it

> since I lived in the U.S a long time and never experienced this snapping thing I felt what, no way, this is crazy. Thank you for the candor. I agree that it is bananas. Definitely can see how it might be difficult to believe at first. > People often make statements about what societies are like in order to paint them in a particular way for rhetorical or propaganda purposes. Absolutely. What do you make of the folks in this thread echoing your sentiment that it must be made up and/or quickly changing tact and trying to pass it off as completely benign and normative by various explanations? I would argue trying to pretend like it is fake is a form of gaslighting/propaganda. Doesn't seem like you were engaged in that, especially with your response. You might be somewhat alarmed to know that initially one or two NYT staffers did in fact engage in exactly this behaviour until they were debunked ("I was there and it didn't happen" type posts on X). I am a tad alarmed. Hence my call for rumination. All of this is quite bizarre, don't you agree? What on earth is going on? > Evidently you have never had a similar experience. Of course I have. I am not even calling you particularly gullible actually. I think clearly on display down thread from you is an exploitation of your, and others like you, reasonableness.

bryanrasmussen 3y ago
well as a normal rule people tend to believe things that confirm their preconceptions so if they say that it doesn't exist I would think that seems reasonable, however I have noticed its use in comedies, generally things don't randomly come up in comedies - they are just exaggerations of some trend. So after considering this and other things I would think huh, maybe some people snapped but not in the whole mesmerized puppets snapping along group-think that the anecdote seemed to paint it as. Like if there are 10 people and 4 people snap for a couple seconds and maybe someone says Amen a nervous person might just remember it as some big humiliating they all snapped against me! thing. This would allow other people who have knowledge of the thing or the culture of the company to say "come on, that never happened" But as far as the rest of the combat you are having with the rest of the people in this thread who say it didn't happen - hey, you all seem to be more worked up about this thing than I am, I just thought that sounds too crazy, it sounds like something from "Curb your Enthusiasm" not real life. But yeah if a group all snapped together because my favorite sandwich choice was too culturally insensitive or supportive of an authoritarian agenda I would probably start talking some shit and get fired, even though I don't agree with that corporation's viewpoints on things. on edit: added some context. on further edit: you could also argue that the article doesn't say it was some groupthink thing, I guess that is a matter of interpreting the style of the article. I'm pretty sensitive to implications of literary style and so forth, in my opinion at least, and I think the implication was "oooh everybody ganged up on me" not just "some people snapped and others were like let's get through this dumb corporate orientation so we can go to lunch!" which is what I would have found totally believable.
- verticalscaler 3y ago
  > hey, you all seem to be more worked up about this thing than I am, I just thought that sounds too crazy, it sounds like something from "Curb your Enthusiasm" not real life. No no, I am right there with you. It is straight out of Curb'd. > I'm pretty sensitive to implications of literary style and so forth, in my opinion at least, and I think the implication was "oooh everybody ganged up on me" Observe people doubling down in this thread about how the fingers snapping (which didn't even happen probably!) is totally normal because actually... :P Again, can hardly fault you as a reader, you certainly aren't part of that. Listen, someone posted in here that they themselves are a NYT reporter and not only did the finger snaps did not happen (but would be totally justified if they did!) this is just a former disgruntled employee who "probably got fired for watching porn". I just think that's... amazing. Hilarious and weird. And something to watch out for.

bryanrasmussen 3y ago

well as a normal rule people tend to believe things that confirm their preconceptions so if they say that it doesn't exist I would think that seems reasonable, however I have noticed its use in comedies, generally things don't randomly come up in comedies - they are just exaggerations of some trend. So after considering this and other things I would think huh, maybe some people snapped but not in the whole mesmerized puppets snapping along group-think that the anecdote seemed to paint it as. Like if there are 10 people and 4 people snap for a couple seconds and maybe someone says Amen a nervous person might just remember it as some big humiliating they all snapped against me! thing. This would allow other people who have knowledge of the thing or the culture of the company to say "come on, that never happened" But as far as the rest of the combat you are having with the rest of the people in this thread who say it didn't happen - hey, you all seem to be more worked up about this thing than I am, I just thought that sounds too crazy, it sounds like something from "Curb your Enthusiasm" not real life. But yeah if a group all snapped together because my favorite sandwich choice was too culturally insensitive or supportive of an authoritarian agenda I would probably start talking some shit and get fired, even though I don't agree with that corporation's viewpoints on things. on edit: added some context. on further edit: you could also argue that the article doesn't say it was some groupthink thing, I guess that is a matter of interpreting the style of the article. I'm pretty sensitive to implications of literary style and so forth, in my opinion at least, and I think the implication was "oooh everybody ganged up on me" not just "some people snapped and others were like let's get through this dumb corporate orientation so we can go to lunch!" which is what I would have found totally believable.

verticalscaler 3y ago
> hey, you all seem to be more worked up about this thing than I am, I just thought that sounds too crazy, it sounds like something from "Curb your Enthusiasm" not real life. No no, I am right there with you. It is straight out of Curb'd. > I'm pretty sensitive to implications of literary style and so forth, in my opinion at least, and I think the implication was "oooh everybody ganged up on me" Observe people doubling down in this thread about how the fingers snapping (which didn't even happen probably!) is totally normal because actually... :P Again, can hardly fault you as a reader, you certainly aren't part of that. Listen, someone posted in here that they themselves are a NYT reporter and not only did the finger snaps did not happen (but would be totally justified if they did!) this is just a former disgruntled employee who "probably got fired for watching porn". I just think that's... amazing. Hilarious and weird. And something to watch out for.