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Oh that's a really good point, that might be the logic they use to try to deny the Irish people their independence.
by lucubratory 3y ago
Oh that's a really good point, that might be the logic they use to try to deny the Irish people their independence.
- adastra22 3y agoOr it might avoid a disastrous reversion to the violence of the Troubles.
- chgs 3y agoThere seems to be this American view that the U.K. wants NI. Nobody wants NI, it’s just that any change from the Good Friday status quo is a disaster for one side or another, both of whom have used violence for their cause. Democracy is shit when 40% of your country have major everlasting change thrust upon them against their will.
- adastra22 3y agoHuh? No assumption was made in my statement about what the UK wants or doesn’t want. Just that a significant, irreversible change from the status quo should probably require a supermajority vote. This prevents outcomes like Brexit where you get a deeply divided nation, or issues related to voter turnout causing an actual minority side to win. I think we’re saying the same thing.
- chgs 3y agoWhat’s important is that no matter if it’s 52:48 or 92:8, the losing side don’t lose everything. In the case of NI leaving the U.K., all NI citizens who want to should be able to retain their U.K. citizenship, in the case of the U.K. leaving the EU the same should have applied, and the same with Scotland, Catalonia, Texas etc. I would be no happier with brexit had the result been 80:20 to leave, but if the 20% could have retained their EU citizenship it would have made things far more palatable.