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Meanwhile American media and discourse in 2024 is quite fascinated with the idea of civil war: Sam Esmail’s Leave the World Behind, Alex Garland’s upcoming Civi
by imbnwa 3y ago
Meanwhile American media and discourse in 2024 is quite fascinated with the idea of civil war: Sam Esmail’s Leave the World Behind, Alex Garland’s upcoming Civil War, and the Texas border standoff
- pizzafeelsright 3y agoI think a civil war might be helpful. The last one ended slavery (according to the victorious side) Maybe the next one can end the madness we're currently in.
- articwombat 3y agoYour response sounds very distant from the reality you are talking about. A civil war means people, many people, dying and the rest being emotionally traumatized for generations. The madness we are in should be solved by more reasonable means before we devolve to war.
- naasking 3y agoA society that is comfortable with contemplating civil war has forgotten it's horrors, and why reasonableness and compromise were so important in order to avoid it.
- pizzafeelsright 3y agoI don't think anyone is particularly comfortable with war. They tend to happen when politics has failed.
- goatlover 3y agoWars don't always succeed either. There are civil wars that accomplished making a country weaker. See Lebanon for example. And wars that put generals in power.
- matheusmoreira 3y agoWar is hell but it's not to be avoided at all costs. It's preferable to oppression.
- naasking 3y agoThe problem arises when discomfort or discontent is confused for oppression.
- dazc 3y agoCorrect, wars only solve problems in countries outside of the US.
- voakbasda 3y agoOf the four boxes of liberty [1], does anyone believe that anything but the ammo box will be effective at this point in our history? Free speech exists only in echo chambers, every election is between a shit sandwich and a douche, and a sitting federal judge openly confirmed that our courts of law have little to do with truth or justice. I would rather face the terrifying anarchy of a revolution than continue to suffer the indignity of the current tyranny. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty?wprov=sf...
- bongodongobob 3y agoProbably. More and more people are anti-protest as well. "Why do they have to block traffic?" If it's not disruptive, it's pointless. "Can't you just protest in a way that's easily ignored?"
- leereeves 3y agoDisrupting any official proceeding is now a federal felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison, so 60s style anti-government protest would be shut down quickly. The Jan 6th trials (most of which were based on that charge) set a precedent that will haunt us for a long time.
- matheusmoreira 3y agoSet a precedent for the rest of the world as well. Similar protests in my country were also suppressed, in direct reference to the US ones.
- morbicer 3y agoWhat's the alternative? Let hundred weirdos storm your Capitol and let them rule? Smash a democratic institution and then leave them to go home unpunished? You can't cosplay as a revolutionary. If you want to do insurrection you have to expect the government will surpress you and bring a force that can actually perform revolution.
- Renaud 3y agoAssuming reasonable people win...
- pizzafeelsright 3y agoReasonable people have better aim. Unreasonable people have numbers.
- Larrikin 3y agoWhat is the madness you want to end specifically?
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- goatlover 3y agoMadness would be a civil war in the modern United States. Either you have the best funded and most advanced military in history fighting militias, or fighting itself. If it's the first, the militias get crushed until they go full on terrorism. If it's the later, it's catastrophic. And then there's always the chance that someone uses nukes, say against the other side's capitol or military bases.
- bradley13 3y agoThe catch is: each side thinks the other is mad. I don't know which side you stand on, and it doesn't matter: your side might lose.
- 7jjjjjjj 3y agoIf we had finished the last civil war properly we wouldn't need another one. Every man who ever owned a slave should've hung.
- hackeraccount 3y agoEvery man who ever owned a slave in the U.S. is dead. Would you say when the last of that cohort died something improved over when the last slave was freed? Or that killing them sooner would have prevented (or even changed) what was done after Slavery was ended? It's like saying Germany would be better if every Nazi had been shot. Whatever harm those Nazi's have caused Germany was less then the results of killing people on that measure.
- zen928 3y agowatched a political commentary with the primary cast having views similar to yours pretty recently, i believe the most applicable line that would resonate with your intentions would be "the only good bug is a dead bug" chilling stuff! interesting future we're headed into with messages like yours being the norm.
- pizzafeelsright 3y agoWhen in doubt, return fire!
- pizzafeelsright 3y agoSounds like genocide. Let's say I owned slaves, legally, through inheritance. You want me hanged? Based upon some righteousness you've adopted a hundred years after the events about a topic you've only read about? Do you ever wonder if you're the monster you want to destroy?
- Larrikin 3y agoSo the people who inherited their slaves were all nice guys, that didn't use whips, rape, murder, and separation of family to force people to do demanding physical labor? The civil war happened because everyone involved knew it was wrong, but one side valued the money higher and invented these less than human ideas to justify it to themselves. Everyone who owned slaves should have had all their wealth generated from slaves confiscated and redistributed to the people who did the work. They should have been tried for their crimes, some slave owners were way worse than others, and if that resulted in you being hanged because you were an awful human that was particularly murdery and rapey, then we would have all been better off.
- saagarjha 3y agoThe losing side agrees. That’s why they fought hard to not lose.
- chgs 3y agoIt’s infecting some people in the U.K. out canvassing last weekend and someone wanted to know which candidate wanted a civil war because “we need one” Fortunately not the guy who was polishing his shotguns.