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~3 millions of active users vs ~300 M on XTwitter. Not bad, considering the amount of bots in twitter.

kibwen 3y ago
> considering the amount of bots in twitter Or, even worse, the number of Twitter users on Twitter.
bluish29 3y ago
Regarding that, is there any estimation for the amount of bots on the fediverse? I'm sure it will be interested to know that (in terms of percentage and bot categories). edit, I'm not interested in the comparison with twitter percentage wise or make any comparison with centralized social media.
- kemotep 3y ago
  I guess the trick is determining the definition of “bot”. Is it how many “users that are software programs” vs “users that are disingenuously engaging with the platform to spread or amplify specific kinds of content that are either programs or real people”? Mastodon and Twitter likely have a similar percentage of total active users that are the former. I would speculate that Mastodon may even have more bots as a percentage of active accounts than Twitter because it is a smaller platform. Think news posting accounts that just link an article the second it is published. Twitter, being a much larger mainstream platform probably has significantly higher percentage of users being the later kind of bots compared to Mastodon because they would have more of an impact on Twitter and Mastodon admins are more likely to just ban or defederate from instances that spread content that they don’t want to engage with.
  - mariusor 3y ago
    I don't know about twitter, but on the fediverse the good faith bot accounts are clearly marked as such.
  - MuffinFlavored 3y ago
    > engaging with the platform to spread or amplify specific kinds of content that are either programs or real people If you were Twitter/X, how would you improve their current (probably state of the art) "malicious-content" bot detection + mitigation? It sounds like it ain't just captchas and IP banning?
    - kemotep 3y ago
      They don’t because it would be against their financial interests to do so. Advertising, blue checks, admitting that they have fewer genuine monthly active users than they currently report all negatively affect their bottom line. And any moderation solution that could work would be decried as censorship and people who do genuinely engage could leave the platform.
- akuchling 3y ago
  Many bots are on bot-specific instances, like https://botsin.space/ https://botsin.space/ or the very new https://beep.town/ https://beep.town/ .
idatum 3y ago
Mastodon using a local instance (not mentioned) has been good in my experience so far. I've had fun and useful technical exchanges, as well as healthy general random chats. I think I've been able to control what is in my "feed" well enough. So far. I do not think Mastodon (or especially Lemmy) are immune to the outrage culture of X and the like. My guess: More growth ahead for the Fediverse, outside of areas discussed, and it will degrade rapidly.

> considering the amount of bots in twitter Or, even worse, the number of Twitter users on Twitter.

Regarding that, is there any estimation for the amount of bots on the fediverse? I'm sure it will be interested to know that (in terms of percentage and bot categories). edit, I'm not interested in the comparison with twitter percentage wise or make any comparison with centralized social media.

kemotep 3y ago
I guess the trick is determining the definition of “bot”. Is it how many “users that are software programs” vs “users that are disingenuously engaging with the platform to spread or amplify specific kinds of content that are either programs or real people”? Mastodon and Twitter likely have a similar percentage of total active users that are the former. I would speculate that Mastodon may even have more bots as a percentage of active accounts than Twitter because it is a smaller platform. Think news posting accounts that just link an article the second it is published. Twitter, being a much larger mainstream platform probably has significantly higher percentage of users being the later kind of bots compared to Mastodon because they would have more of an impact on Twitter and Mastodon admins are more likely to just ban or defederate from instances that spread content that they don’t want to engage with.
- mariusor 3y ago
  I don't know about twitter, but on the fediverse the good faith bot accounts are clearly marked as such.
- MuffinFlavored 3y ago
  > engaging with the platform to spread or amplify specific kinds of content that are either programs or real people If you were Twitter/X, how would you improve their current (probably state of the art) "malicious-content" bot detection + mitigation? It sounds like it ain't just captchas and IP banning?
  - kemotep 3y ago
    They don’t because it would be against their financial interests to do so. Advertising, blue checks, admitting that they have fewer genuine monthly active users than they currently report all negatively affect their bottom line. And any moderation solution that could work would be decried as censorship and people who do genuinely engage could leave the platform.
akuchling 3y ago
Many bots are on bot-specific instances, like https://botsin.space/ https://botsin.space/ or the very new https://beep.town/ https://beep.town/ .

idatum 3y ago

Mastodon using a local instance (not mentioned) has been good in my experience so far. I've had fun and useful technical exchanges, as well as healthy general random chats. I think I've been able to control what is in my "feed" well enough. So far. I do not think Mastodon (or especially Lemmy) are immune to the outrage culture of X and the like. My guess: More growth ahead for the Fediverse, outside of areas discussed, and it will degrade rapidly.