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Please, one of these billionaires, take on the mobile os market. The internet was way more weird and fun back in the day when variety existed.

aurareturn 3y ago
Yes but consumers have killed the old internet through ad block usage.
- cwbriscoe 3y ago
  The old internet had no need for ad block. The old internet wasn't infested with sites trying to make ad revenue.
  - paulryanrogers 3y ago
    Did we surf a different web? Monkey punching ads appeared not long after JS and Flash. Pop up ads got so bad browsers locked down a site's ability to even open another window. DoubleClick and Google were a breath of fresh air, with their simple text only ads.
    - ipaddr 3y ago
      That's the new internet. Parents refers to pre 1992
      - j45 3y ago
        1992 to Facebook (2006?) want much different and a very different and great internet
- hollerith 3y ago
  The old old internet (1969 to 1992) banned all commercial activity including of course all advertisements. (The ban was imposed by the US government, but most or all of the internet's backbone was under US jurisdiction back then, resulting in the ban's scope being global in practice, or at least that is my guess: I only ever used the internet in the US. The main reason for the ban was lobbying by telecommunications providers who objected to the US government's competing with them for commercial customers.) The old old internet was very cool, but of course most people had no idea it existed, and with the exception of the web (which was quite small in 1992) consisted entirely of terminal user interfaces in my experience. Despite the ban on commercial activity, by 1992, the internet was the largest network of computers in the world.
  - aurareturn 3y ago
    Yes but it was very small and not sustainable. Today’s internet is probably much better than the internet from the 70s - 90s. I was referring to the 2000s to 2010 internet where creators often built useful free tools and websites around making a living through ads.
    - hollerith 3y ago
      I disagree with your "not sustainable". I think by "very small", you mean to imply it was not scaleable, and I disagree with that, too. Specifically, most users pay a monthly fee to an internet service provider; this fee is all that would be needed to fund or sustain an internet along the lines of the old old internet -- without ads -- even if the old old internet was scaled to modern numbers of users. Now you are going to try to tell us that the old old internet must have sucked compared to the modern ad-supported internet, right?
- j45 3y ago
  Old internet didn’t have as much of a reliance on ads It was just for surfing
  - aurareturn 3y ago
    Yes but the usefulness was much less than today.
    - j45 3y ago
      Depends on what you find useful today vs then
- CatWChainsaw 3y ago
  Ads track you everywhere and sometimes use popups, redirects, and disabling the back button. The people serving ads have way more resources and capital at their disposal to be obnoxious than any one user does to evade their obnoxiousness. Blaming users is blaming victims.
justinclift 3y ago
On that note: https://genodians.org/nfeske/2024-02-15-fosdem-aftermath https://genodians.org/nfeske/2024-02-15-fosdem-aftermath It clearly still has a ways to go, but Genode is looking like it'll become an actual option (for basic use) on the PinePhone over the next year.

aurareturn 3y ago

Yes but consumers have killed the old internet through ad block usage.

cwbriscoe 3y ago
The old internet had no need for ad block. The old internet wasn't infested with sites trying to make ad revenue.
- paulryanrogers 3y ago
  Did we surf a different web? Monkey punching ads appeared not long after JS and Flash. Pop up ads got so bad browsers locked down a site's ability to even open another window. DoubleClick and Google were a breath of fresh air, with their simple text only ads.
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    That's the new internet. Parents refers to pre 1992
    - j45 3y ago
      1992 to Facebook (2006?) want much different and a very different and great internet
hollerith 3y ago
The old old internet (1969 to 1992) banned all commercial activity including of course all advertisements. (The ban was imposed by the US government, but most or all of the internet's backbone was under US jurisdiction back then, resulting in the ban's scope being global in practice, or at least that is my guess: I only ever used the internet in the US. The main reason for the ban was lobbying by telecommunications providers who objected to the US government's competing with them for commercial customers.) The old old internet was very cool, but of course most people had no idea it existed, and with the exception of the web (which was quite small in 1992) consisted entirely of terminal user interfaces in my experience. Despite the ban on commercial activity, by 1992, the internet was the largest network of computers in the world.
- aurareturn 3y ago
  Yes but it was very small and not sustainable. Today’s internet is probably much better than the internet from the 70s - 90s. I was referring to the 2000s to 2010 internet where creators often built useful free tools and websites around making a living through ads.
  - hollerith 3y ago
    I disagree with your "not sustainable". I think by "very small", you mean to imply it was not scaleable, and I disagree with that, too. Specifically, most users pay a monthly fee to an internet service provider; this fee is all that would be needed to fund or sustain an internet along the lines of the old old internet -- without ads -- even if the old old internet was scaled to modern numbers of users. Now you are going to try to tell us that the old old internet must have sucked compared to the modern ad-supported internet, right?
j45 3y ago
Old internet didn’t have as much of a reliance on ads It was just for surfing
- aurareturn 3y ago
  Yes but the usefulness was much less than today.
  - j45 3y ago
    Depends on what you find useful today vs then
CatWChainsaw 3y ago
Ads track you everywhere and sometimes use popups, redirects, and disabling the back button. The people serving ads have way more resources and capital at their disposal to be obnoxious than any one user does to evade their obnoxiousness. Blaming users is blaming victims.

justinclift 3y ago

On that note: https://genodians.org/nfeske/2024-02-15-fosdem-aftermath https://genodians.org/nfeske/2024-02-15-fosdem-aftermath It clearly still has a ways to go, but Genode is looking like it'll become an actual option (for basic use) on the PinePhone over the next year.