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(Person that actually uses sumercé here.) The article is reading way too much into it, and it forgets a very important piece of information: The origin of uste
by savq 3y ago
(Person that actually uses sumercé here.)
The article is reading way too much into it, and it forgets a very important piece of information:
The origin of usted is "vuestra merced".
Spanish had T-V distinction, like most romance languages,
but usted superceded vos as the formal 2nd person pronoun.
sumercé is a word that had the same process,
just starting from "su merced" instead, since in Colombia
—like in all other latin american countries— vosotros is not used.
That's it.
- jurimasa 3y agoWrong: Spanish usted comes from the Arabic "ʔustāḏ", a honorific title meaning something like "distinguished person"
- gfaure 3y agoThis is wrong — an entire spectrum of early modern variants starting from _vuestra merced_ to _vuesasted_ to _vusted_ to _usted_ has been demonstrated in written and printed matter across the centuries. It helps that written Spanish has been particularly well documented from the Age of Discovery onwards.
- moravak1984 3y ago> has been demonstrated in written and printed matter across the centuries. which centuries are we talking about? > It helps that written Spanish has been particularly well documented from the Age of Discovery onwards. and that was how many centuries after the Arab occupation? There are tons of Arabic-origin words in Spanish, (alcoba, aljibe, almohada, cerveza, naranja, zanahoria), so the hypothesis of "usted" sharing said origin is plausible. Maybe you have some relevant evidence to your theory?
- gora_kh 3y agoPaper on this subject: https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.academia.edu/4915784/Usted_Ustaad_Etymology_Re_examined&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiRlLu07duEAxWoEzQIHfqlArwQFnoECAEQAg&usg=AOvVaw0MPkpKfcchI80W4C5Y7nSg https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.academia.edu/491578... Evidence for "vuestra merced": http://elies.rediris.es/elies22/cap7.htm http://elies.rediris.es/elies22/cap7.htm Much more in-depth treatment of "vuestra merced" etymology: www.academia.edu/39806097/_Fue_vulgar_y_plebeyo_el_origen_de_usted_La_diacron%25C3%25ADa_del_pronombre_de_respeto_desde_la_interfaz_oral_escrito&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjc_-qd9tuEAxXFOjQIHWgZDMsQFnoECAYQAg&usg=AOvVaw1A_5QRn5k5EbDqDOzJ-DUy Spanish Corpus: https://www.corpusdelespanol.org/hist-gen/ https://www.corpusdelespanol.org/hist-gen/ Interesting review of dialects of Judeo-Spanish from 1894 where "su merced", "su osted", and "usted" all appear: https://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/la-lengua-y-la-literatura--0/html/fef491d8-82b1-11df-acc7-002185ce6064_53.html/marca/osted#2029 https://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/la-lengua-y-la-l...
- losvedir 3y agoInteresting. Portuguese (at least Brazilian, not sure how it is in Portugal) uses você for the 2nd person pronoun (and doesn't maintain a formal/informal distinction), and você came from vossa mercê. Since that's where usted, sumercé, and você came all come from, I'm guessing it must be a Latin thing?
- kinow 3y ago> from vossa mercê Which in some Brazilian soap operas sounded more like "vosmece" or "vosmercê", especially when said by people with country side accent (caipiras).
- _3u10 3y agoI hear or say vos almost every time I greet someone. I’m in Paraguay. Is Colombia a tu country?