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> Who mentioned plastics .. that's correct, you did. You said, "Pressure is on various traditional fossil fuel comanies [...] Countries are well able to strike

> Who mentioned plastics .. that's correct, you did. You said, "Pressure is on various traditional fossil fuel comanies [...] Countries are well able to strike deal with fossil fuel extractors [...] That said large scale consumers, entire countries, purchasing blocs, can put pressure on resource providers to change behaviour, and on secondary processing to take increased input from recycled materials." Quiz: which recycled material comes from fossil fuels? > Have you read the report yet? Which report? > > You're literally proposing we reward these companies for the harm they cause > Did I? Yes, you did. You said: "Countries are well able to strike deal with fossil fuel extractors to invest in parallel atmospheric carbon extraction". That's just rewarding fossil fuel extractors for their bad behavior with government contracts.

defrost 3y ago
> Quiz: which recycled material comes from fossil fuels? Steel for one, right now I'm partnered with a friend decommisioning an offshore platform - lots of materials there. > Which report? Keep moving up comment until you reach my first comment - I assumed (bad mve on my part) that you'd arrived here by some kind of context rather than randomly landing on something you wanted to launch your particular thinkys from. The report in question addresses sustainable use of global resources at scale, it's not merely focused on greenwashing plastic. > That's just rewarding fossil fuel extractors for their bad behavior with government contracts. Err, no. It's changing the deals that have been done in the past to include teardowns and restorative work (carbon capture). You'll notice I was disparaging about carbon capture for the good reason that to date nobody has a project proposed on the scale of recovery to match the downsides. If they can't actually meet a "zero emission" or better balance then such deals should preclude extraction. You're coming at this with a whole set of your baggage.
- kerkeslager 3y ago
  > Keep moving up comment until you reach my first comment - I assumed (bad mve on my part) that you'd arrived here by some kind of context rather than randomly landing on something you wanted to launch your particular thinkys from. Ah, no, I didn't read that report. It's 181 pages. I was responding to something you said was in the report. Hopefully it's safe to assume that what you said about the report was accurate?

defrost 3y ago

> Quiz: which recycled material comes from fossil fuels? Steel for one, right now I'm partnered with a friend decommisioning an offshore platform - lots of materials there. > Which report? Keep moving up comment until you reach my first comment - I assumed (bad mve on my part) that you'd arrived here by some kind of context rather than randomly landing on something you wanted to launch your particular thinkys from. The report in question addresses sustainable use of global resources at scale, it's not merely focused on greenwashing plastic. > That's just rewarding fossil fuel extractors for their bad behavior with government contracts. Err, no. It's changing the deals that have been done in the past to include teardowns and restorative work (carbon capture). You'll notice I was disparaging about carbon capture for the good reason that to date nobody has a project proposed on the scale of recovery to match the downsides. If they can't actually meet a "zero emission" or better balance then such deals should preclude extraction. You're coming at this with a whole set of your baggage.

kerkeslager 3y ago
> Keep moving up comment until you reach my first comment - I assumed (bad mve on my part) that you'd arrived here by some kind of context rather than randomly landing on something you wanted to launch your particular thinkys from. Ah, no, I didn't read that report. It's 181 pages. I was responding to something you said was in the report. Hopefully it's safe to assume that what you said about the report was accurate?