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> And that’s the issue - everyone wants to use Apple’s App Store and have their own payment system not avoid the exposure they get from the App Store. But why

> And that’s the issue - everyone wants to use Apple’s App Store and have their own payment system not avoid the exposure they get from the App Store. But why would it be an issue to be in the App Store and provide your own payment option? Why not just let developers do that and let the market decide? I’ve asked that about four times now and you still haven’t actually explained why.

scarface_74 3y ago
So you want to use Apple’s marketplace and still not pay Apple? Can you put your goods in any other marketplace and not pay the market place owner in the real world or digital? If you want the “market to decide” force Apple to allow other app stores and you can let other app stores compete on price like the DMA demands. Can you distribute on Steam and not pay Steam? Can you do that in any physical store?
- afavour 3y ago
  Your argument is now a completely different one than it was when the thread started. If the argument is “you should have to pay to be in the App Store”, sure, I don’t have any problem with that. But “fee to exist on the App Store” being 15-30% of every transaction is absolutely egregious and completely out of line with any real world cost. And in any case Apple already charges a $100/year fee to be able to put apps in the App Store. But, yet again, Apple charging that amount would be more acceptable if they fully supported the web as an alternative platform for those who do not care for the App Store exposure. But they do not, because it is in their interest to funnel everyone through the App Store and take a cut.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    And looking at Android - those people who are willing to forego the mobile providers App Store are just as unwilling to do it as merchants are unwilling to do it. That $100 is absolutely nothing. Can you get on any console, Steam, or any physical marketplace just by paying $100 a year? Can I put my music on Spotify by just paying a one time $100 fee? Can you name one other platform that charges less than 15/30%? Once again if it is egregious, why do the same app developers voluntarily put their apps on the Google Play store when they do have a choice? Why do artists allow their music to be on Spotify where Spotify gets 30% of the revenue?

scarface_74 3y ago

So you want to use Apple’s marketplace and still not pay Apple? Can you put your goods in any other marketplace and not pay the market place owner in the real world or digital? If you want the “market to decide” force Apple to allow other app stores and you can let other app stores compete on price like the DMA demands. Can you distribute on Steam and not pay Steam? Can you do that in any physical store?

afavour 3y ago
Your argument is now a completely different one than it was when the thread started. If the argument is “you should have to pay to be in the App Store”, sure, I don’t have any problem with that. But “fee to exist on the App Store” being 15-30% of every transaction is absolutely egregious and completely out of line with any real world cost. And in any case Apple already charges a $100/year fee to be able to put apps in the App Store. But, yet again, Apple charging that amount would be more acceptable if they fully supported the web as an alternative platform for those who do not care for the App Store exposure. But they do not, because it is in their interest to funnel everyone through the App Store and take a cut.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  And looking at Android - those people who are willing to forego the mobile providers App Store are just as unwilling to do it as merchants are unwilling to do it. That $100 is absolutely nothing. Can you get on any console, Steam, or any physical marketplace just by paying $100 a year? Can I put my music on Spotify by just paying a one time $100 fee? Can you name one other platform that charges less than 15/30%? Once again if it is egregious, why do the same app developers voluntarily put their apps on the Google Play store when they do have a choice? Why do artists allow their music to be on Spotify where Spotify gets 30% of the revenue?