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It does seem that people would wrongly associate the artificial influx of positive/warm feelings coming from a cannabis with increased task performance. Not unl

by cfr2023 3y ago

It does seem that people would wrongly associate the artificial influx of positive/warm feelings coming from a cannabis with increased task performance. Not unlike how people overestimate their own strength when drinking alcohol etc. However, if it decreases their performance but improves their feelings towards the work, might that still be a net positive? In other words, if you are going to be a little more pokey and error prone, but on the whole more eager to work and more resistant to burn out, that could be better than a non-cannabis user that makes fewer errors, while continuously stressing out and thinking about changing jobs.

wahnfrieden 3y ago
Better for who?
- doktrin 3y ago
  I suppose there’s no certainty when dealing with a vague hypothetical, but probably both employer and employee? It’s not as if burnout and quitting is in anyone’s interest.
- cfr2023 3y ago
  Everyone? It's about the real and hidden costs. If your employees are stressed to the point of burnout and are turning over every few months, do you think new trainees will make more or less errors than experienced employees under the influence of cannabis? Will their training costs be more or less than the errors made by the person using cannabis? As the employee, if you are stressed out and hitting a wall, and suddenly imbibing cannabis motivates you to continue working more than 10 cups of coffee would, but without the jitters, that seems like a better outcome than simply feeling terrible and also not getting the job done.
temp0826 3y ago
Is it better to medicate than make steps ("thinking about changing jobs") towards being happy sober? I'm not against people using cannabis, I just don't think this is the right frame. It shouldn't be a bandaid for being in a bad situation and it's kind of sad if one would give up their aspirations for betterment because the high masks them caring enough about it.
- cfr2023 3y ago
  Your point is valid in that being able to face life unaided by medicine is ideal, but often unrealistic. Such that I think this comment of calling it a band aid for being in a bad situation is overblown, and that the situation in general is more comparable to drinking coffee to remain alert. I'd be curious to know if you also think that drinking coffee to overcome tiredness at work is also equal to giving up aspirations for betterment.
- therobots927 3y ago
  I see cannabis less as a bandaid (though it can be used that way) and more as an experience enhancement. Sure, maybe data pipelines seem a little boring. But spend enough time working on them under the influence of cannabis and before you know it you’re having fun.
dylan604 3y ago
My coding under the influence is for shit. Most times after trying this, I’ve had to redo what was done as it no longer makes sense and rarely worked. It was the epitome of the phrase “were you high?” The opposite happens though for the more creative computer usage like video/photo editing, graphic design etc. there have been some severely boring projects that kept me procrastinating, but made tolerable with an influenced state
- colechristensen 3y ago
  My college programming homework under the influence of alcohol always worked but the result was usually strange and horrible and had to be redone.
drewbug01 3y ago
In the short term, for the individual: yes, it could be better to medicate. However in the long run, it ends up giving license to shitty employers to continue being shitty, and perhaps to become even worse. Such employers need to feel the negative consequences of their behavior. Their business needs to suffer from high turnover and poor quality work, and if they don’t change then they need to fold. Businesses are, at the end of the day, just people - people who live together and participate in the same society. I can’t honestly say that the best outcome is for workers to medicate themselves to be able to tolerate their bosses. Work doesn’t have to be so toxic and awful, you know?
- binary132 3y ago
  I'm the farthest thing from a pot advocate there is, but if you imagine saying this about antidepressants it sounds kinda silly.
  - drewbug01 3y ago
    Well; I’m inclined to agree that my comment would indeed sound silly if you simply substituted antidepressants for pot. But in my mind that’s because it’s comparing apples to oranges. I just don’t see how they are comparable.
    - xk_id 3y ago
      You’re not going to believe it: https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/03/psychiatric-hegemony-marxist-theory-mental-illness/ https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/03/psychiatric-hegemony-ma...
      - drewbug01 3y ago
        Why are you so obsessed with trying to tie my comments to marxism? That’s deeply odd.
    - binary132 3y ago
      But you weren’t talking about pot. You were talking about people treating their work related depression and stress being a bad thing because it enables their employer to depress and stress them. At least, that was the message I got.

wahnfrieden 3y ago

Better for who?

doktrin 3y ago
I suppose there’s no certainty when dealing with a vague hypothetical, but probably both employer and employee? It’s not as if burnout and quitting is in anyone’s interest.
cfr2023 3y ago
Everyone? It's about the real and hidden costs. If your employees are stressed to the point of burnout and are turning over every few months, do you think new trainees will make more or less errors than experienced employees under the influence of cannabis? Will their training costs be more or less than the errors made by the person using cannabis? As the employee, if you are stressed out and hitting a wall, and suddenly imbibing cannabis motivates you to continue working more than 10 cups of coffee would, but without the jitters, that seems like a better outcome than simply feeling terrible and also not getting the job done.

temp0826 3y ago

Is it better to medicate than make steps ("thinking about changing jobs") towards being happy sober? I'm not against people using cannabis, I just don't think this is the right frame. It shouldn't be a bandaid for being in a bad situation and it's kind of sad if one would give up their aspirations for betterment because the high masks them caring enough about it.

cfr2023 3y ago
Your point is valid in that being able to face life unaided by medicine is ideal, but often unrealistic. Such that I think this comment of calling it a band aid for being in a bad situation is overblown, and that the situation in general is more comparable to drinking coffee to remain alert. I'd be curious to know if you also think that drinking coffee to overcome tiredness at work is also equal to giving up aspirations for betterment.
therobots927 3y ago
I see cannabis less as a bandaid (though it can be used that way) and more as an experience enhancement. Sure, maybe data pipelines seem a little boring. But spend enough time working on them under the influence of cannabis and before you know it you’re having fun.

dylan604 3y ago

My coding under the influence is for shit. Most times after trying this, I’ve had to redo what was done as it no longer makes sense and rarely worked. It was the epitome of the phrase “were you high?” The opposite happens though for the more creative computer usage like video/photo editing, graphic design etc. there have been some severely boring projects that kept me procrastinating, but made tolerable with an influenced state

colechristensen 3y ago
My college programming homework under the influence of alcohol always worked but the result was usually strange and horrible and had to be redone.

drewbug01 3y ago

In the short term, for the individual: yes, it could be better to medicate. However in the long run, it ends up giving license to shitty employers to continue being shitty, and perhaps to become even worse. Such employers need to feel the negative consequences of their behavior. Their business needs to suffer from high turnover and poor quality work, and if they don’t change then they need to fold. Businesses are, at the end of the day, just people - people who live together and participate in the same society. I can’t honestly say that the best outcome is for workers to medicate themselves to be able to tolerate their bosses. Work doesn’t have to be so toxic and awful, you know?

binary132 3y ago
I'm the farthest thing from a pot advocate there is, but if you imagine saying this about antidepressants it sounds kinda silly.
- drewbug01 3y ago
  Well; I’m inclined to agree that my comment would indeed sound silly if you simply substituted antidepressants for pot. But in my mind that’s because it’s comparing apples to oranges. I just don’t see how they are comparable.
  - xk_id 3y ago
    You’re not going to believe it: https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/03/psychiatric-hegemony-marxist-theory-mental-illness/ https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/03/psychiatric-hegemony-ma...
    - drewbug01 3y ago
      Why are you so obsessed with trying to tie my comments to marxism? That’s deeply odd.
  - binary132 3y ago
    But you weren’t talking about pot. You were talking about people treating their work related depression and stress being a bad thing because it enables their employer to depress and stress them. At least, that was the message I got.