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I suppose that depends on your physical location to say if they weren't obeyed. It's true they weren't followed 100% in spirit or in practice, but they were to

I suppose that depends on your physical location to say if they weren't obeyed. It's true they weren't followed 100% in spirit or in practice, but they were to enough degree. At least in my area, from when lockdowns started until probably mid 2022 traffic wasn't something I had to worry about anymore. Now it seems to be back to normal. Stores seem even busier now than they were before Covid, etc. In our lockdown capacity, it demonstrate how fast the virus spread and how much damage it did with a population largely immunologically naive to Covid). I can only imagine what would have happened in the US had it just been business as usual.

nikolay 3y ago
There was enough science to avoid lockdowns. Face masks (not the surgical kinds though) work, but they needed to educate people to wear them consistently and that there's no point in wearing a mask and then taking it out to eat or drink water for 1 minute. They also changed it to "face covering," allowing people to wear germ-infested cloths and surgical masks.
nikolay 3y ago
My family of 4 traveled internationally during COVID-19 and wore N95 and FFP3 face masks, didn't eat at the airplane, we only ate briefly at airports in secluded areas, and never got COVID-19. In fact, we only got COVID-19... at the pool, i.e., outside. My daughter was without a face mask and her friend, who was later tested positive, was 10-15 minutes away. We know for sure it was him infecting her outside in a larger than the standard "social distance", because she was home for 2-3 weeks and didn't see anybody else. Only she was positive and had symptoms.
- gnicholas 3y ago
  > her friend, who was later tested positive, was 10-15 minutes away Is "minutes" supposed to be "meters" or something else?
  - nikolay 3y ago
    Yes, 10-15 meters. I often give my friends an example: we're on the beach in 20 meters away a couple is walking and you can smell their strong perfume. Aromas are molecules, alright, but viruses are not so much "heavier." They can be carried away pretty far away. Of course, the further you are, the smaller the chance gets, but it's possible. The longer you stay, and the more people walk by, the more real the chance of infection gets.
    - gnicholas 3y ago
      Wow, I've never heard of anyone getting COVID when separated by such a distance when outside.
      - nikolay 3y ago
        There's no magic outside. UV rays take minutes to deactivate the virus. Breeze can be a friend of a foe. https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in-times-of-covid-19-you-can-not-walk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08 https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in...
        gnicholas 3y ago
        Is there any similar guidance from later in the pandemic? Much of what we thought we knew in April 2020 turned out to be incorrect. It's perhaps not impossible to get COVID from 30+ feet away, but I sure haven't ever heard of such a thing happening, nor have I seen any guidance that indicated this distance presents a risk. TBH, I would think it would be more likely that the infection happened at a different time, when the kids were not actually 30 feet apart (even if they were supposed to be, and said they were). I say this as a parent, and as a former kid.
        nikolay 3y ago
        Some scientists have been studying airborne virus transmission and respirators' effectiveness well before COVID-19. I recommend following the work of Linsey Marr [0]. Measless is known to have infected people at a stadium 100 feet away [1]. Influenza is known to infect through dust particles [2]. I can't find the study, but this is valid outdoors, too. [0]: https://twitter.com/linseymarr https://twitter.com/linseymarr [1]: https://www.statnews.com/2019/02/14/measles-infection-virus-spread/ https://www.statnews.com/2019/02/14/measles-infection-virus-... [2]: https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/airborne-viruses-can-spread-dust-nonrespiratory-particles https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/airborne-viruses-can-spread-dus...

nikolay 3y ago

There was enough science to avoid lockdowns. Face masks (not the surgical kinds though) work, but they needed to educate people to wear them consistently and that there's no point in wearing a mask and then taking it out to eat or drink water for 1 minute. They also changed it to "face covering," allowing people to wear germ-infested cloths and surgical masks.

nikolay 3y ago

My family of 4 traveled internationally during COVID-19 and wore N95 and FFP3 face masks, didn't eat at the airplane, we only ate briefly at airports in secluded areas, and never got COVID-19. In fact, we only got COVID-19... at the pool, i.e., outside. My daughter was without a face mask and her friend, who was later tested positive, was 10-15 minutes away. We know for sure it was him infecting her outside in a larger than the standard "social distance", because she was home for 2-3 weeks and didn't see anybody else. Only she was positive and had symptoms.

gnicholas 3y ago
> her friend, who was later tested positive, was 10-15 minutes away Is "minutes" supposed to be "meters" or something else?
- nikolay 3y ago
  Yes, 10-15 meters. I often give my friends an example: we're on the beach in 20 meters away a couple is walking and you can smell their strong perfume. Aromas are molecules, alright, but viruses are not so much "heavier." They can be carried away pretty far away. Of course, the further you are, the smaller the chance gets, but it's possible. The longer you stay, and the more people walk by, the more real the chance of infection gets.
  - gnicholas 3y ago
    Wow, I've never heard of anyone getting COVID when separated by such a distance when outside.
    - nikolay 3y ago
      There's no magic outside. UV rays take minutes to deactivate the virus. Breeze can be a friend of a foe. https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in-times-of-covid-19-you-can-not-walk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08 https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in...
      - gnicholas 3y ago
        Is there any similar guidance from later in the pandemic? Much of what we thought we knew in April 2020 turned out to be incorrect. It's perhaps not impossible to get COVID from 30+ feet away, but I sure haven't ever heard of such a thing happening, nor have I seen any guidance that indicated this distance presents a risk. TBH, I would think it would be more likely that the infection happened at a different time, when the kids were not actually 30 feet apart (even if they were supposed to be, and said they were). I say this as a parent, and as a former kid.
        nikolay 3y ago
        Some scientists have been studying airborne virus transmission and respirators' effectiveness well before COVID-19. I recommend following the work of Linsey Marr [0]. Measless is known to have infected people at a stadium 100 feet away [1]. Influenza is known to infect through dust particles [2]. I can't find the study, but this is valid outdoors, too. [0]: https://twitter.com/linseymarr https://twitter.com/linseymarr [1]: https://www.statnews.com/2019/02/14/measles-infection-virus-spread/ https://www.statnews.com/2019/02/14/measles-infection-virus-... [2]: https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/airborne-viruses-can-spread-dust-nonrespiratory-particles https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/airborne-viruses-can-spread-dus...