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>we need consumers to step in >Just stop buying I cannot remember a single time this actually happened at a noticable scale as a response to a tech company's

>we need consumers to step in >Just stop buying I cannot remember a single time this actually happened at a noticable scale as a response to a tech company's anti-competitive shenanigans.

lolinder 3y ago
True, but from what I've observed most of the people on threads like this decrying Apple's behavior are regular Apple customers who wish they could have the freedoms that exist outside of the Apple world while still having all the perks of buying Apple. These people are keenly aware of the problems they have with Apple and yet they inexplicably feel completely disempowered to do anything about it. They shouldn't switch to try to hurt Apple's bottom line (it won't in those quantities), but they should switch to get the freedoms they feel are so important. Android + F-Droid are a thing. If you want to get really fancy you can even install a Google-free ROM, but that's hardly necessary to gain the freedoms that Apple denies you.
- dagmx 3y ago
  > freedoms that exist outside of the Apple world while still having all the perks of buying Apple Doesn’t that tell you instead that the latter is a higher priority? It’s not like the inverse isn’t true as well. People outside the Apple ecosystem who want the benefits. They make the opposite priority call.
  - lolinder 3y ago
    Yes, but those of us outside of the Apple ecosystem don't try to introduce legislation that requires Samsung to sell phones with metal cases or that requires Google to improve the UX coherence of Android. We look at the options and make the judgement call.
    - dagmx 3y ago
      What on earth are you referring to?
      - lolinder 3y ago
        The root comment in this thread: > Whichever country drafts the next regulation on the same line should incorporate a clause something like "Users must be free to create, distribute & install any software / applications on their own devices without any involvement of Platform Operator, with equal access to APIs available to native stores". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39569946 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39569946
        dagmx 3y ago
        But in this case, people outside the Apple ecosystem are literally asking for legislation as to how Apple should operate. Your statement would make more sense if inverted? That people within the Apple ecosystem aren’t trying to change how Samsung or Google operate
        lolinder 3y ago
        No, the OP I'm quoting is an Apple user [0], as is almost everyone who complains about Apple's rules on HN. Most Android users don't care because it doesn't affect them. The way these discussions usually go is that a bunch of Apple users complain about the restrictions, a bunch of Apple users say they like them, and a few Android users like myself remind the complainers that there are, in fact, other options that don't involve forcing Apple to take away the rules that most iOS users appreciate having. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37632607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37632607
        dagmx 3y ago
        So what if they’re an iPhone user? The topic at hand is about legislation coming from outside the Apple ecosystem. It doesn’t matter if it’s Android or a politician. The rest of your post reads like you just have a general deep seated disdain for Apple users.

>we need consumers to step in >Just stop buying I cannot remember a single time this actually happened at a noticable scale as a response to a tech company's anti-competitive shenanigans.

lolinder 3y ago

True, but from what I've observed most of the people on threads like this decrying Apple's behavior are regular Apple customers who wish they could have the freedoms that exist outside of the Apple world while still having all the perks of buying Apple. These people are keenly aware of the problems they have with Apple and yet they inexplicably feel completely disempowered to do anything about it. They shouldn't switch to try to hurt Apple's bottom line (it won't in those quantities), but they should switch to get the freedoms they feel are so important. Android + F-Droid are a thing. If you want to get really fancy you can even install a Google-free ROM, but that's hardly necessary to gain the freedoms that Apple denies you.

dagmx 3y ago
> freedoms that exist outside of the Apple world while still having all the perks of buying Apple Doesn’t that tell you instead that the latter is a higher priority? It’s not like the inverse isn’t true as well. People outside the Apple ecosystem who want the benefits. They make the opposite priority call.
- lolinder 3y ago
  Yes, but those of us outside of the Apple ecosystem don't try to introduce legislation that requires Samsung to sell phones with metal cases or that requires Google to improve the UX coherence of Android. We look at the options and make the judgement call.
  - dagmx 3y ago
    What on earth are you referring to?
    - lolinder 3y ago
      The root comment in this thread: > Whichever country drafts the next regulation on the same line should incorporate a clause something like "Users must be free to create, distribute & install any software / applications on their own devices without any involvement of Platform Operator, with equal access to APIs available to native stores". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39569946 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39569946
      - dagmx 3y ago
        But in this case, people outside the Apple ecosystem are literally asking for legislation as to how Apple should operate. Your statement would make more sense if inverted? That people within the Apple ecosystem aren’t trying to change how Samsung or Google operate
        lolinder 3y ago
        No, the OP I'm quoting is an Apple user [0], as is almost everyone who complains about Apple's rules on HN. Most Android users don't care because it doesn't affect them. The way these discussions usually go is that a bunch of Apple users complain about the restrictions, a bunch of Apple users say they like them, and a few Android users like myself remind the complainers that there are, in fact, other options that don't involve forcing Apple to take away the rules that most iOS users appreciate having. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37632607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37632607
        dagmx 3y ago
        So what if they’re an iPhone user? The topic at hand is about legislation coming from outside the Apple ecosystem. It doesn’t matter if it’s Android or a politician. The rest of your post reads like you just have a general deep seated disdain for Apple users.