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Zoo chimp makes elaborate plots to attack humans

62 points by jamesbritt 15y ago

nickkthequick 15y ago
Planet of the apes! This is how it all starts. Swap out "chimpanzee" for "human" and you get the reverse article monitoring Taylor's escape attempts.
aortega 15y ago
"The calculated surprise attacks on visitors demonstrate very advanced thinking usually only associated with humans." It's more like very basic thinking usually only associated with human toddlers. Articles like this tend to exaggerate animal intelligence to sell more. But think about what humans (even human children!) are capable to do, we really play in another league.
- PhearTheCeal 15y ago
  But really, humans aren't that much smarter. If we didn't collect and teach knowledge we've gained from the past then an adult wouldn't be too much better off than a child. If this chimp was capable of passing on his knowledge to the next generation, I think they would only be a few thousand years off from where we are now.
  - PerryCox 15y ago
    >If we didn't collect and teach knowledge we've gained from the past then an adult wouldn't be too much better off than a child. And yet apes aren't able to do even that.
    - ithkuil 15y ago
      You might have a "potential capability" to do something, yet you could miss some key aspect to actually do it. For example there are a lot of people you have a big creative potential, yet they are too lazy or lack of patience to actually do stuff for real. What does that mean? Are those humans "capable" of achieving these feats? Or the fact that they didn't actually do anything proves that they aren't? Cognitive science doesn't seek to judge the value of individuals, that's already our day job as social humans; we all do that constantly every day, that's what we ever did, since the dawn of time, judge other human fellows to praise the worth, and dispraise the villains; and of course we cannot refrain from extending this attitude towards others, other communities, tribes, races; let alone another species. A scientific quest to discover the origin of our cognitive abilities has to seek for similarities and not entrenching ourselves in our superiority in achievement. Of course, sometimes this might sound as if the claims are exaggerated, but you should always read the conclusions in the right context. It reminds me of somebody who told me "you know, Mayans were extremely advanced in astronomy", I asked back whether they had developed an heliocentric view of planetary motions, and he andwered "I told you, they were incredibly advanced!"; but this doesn't mean that they had a heliocentric view; advanced w.r.t what? I don't actually know, but I would be surprised if Maya had developed a heliocentric view. Being "advanced" in prediction of sun and star position doesn't mean more than what it means, yet people tend to use some assertions out of context to state things like "study demonstrates that apes are just like us" etc PS: w.r.t to apes and teaching http://www.livescience.com/7064-case-closed-apes-culture.html http://www.livescience.com/7064-case-closed-apes-culture.htm..., and you can find a lot of data about how apes transmit behavior (in some occasions also tool use etc)
pdx 15y ago
Department of Homeland Security says that they're aware of the situation and are monitoring it closely. They urge caution and suggest that travel to that area should be avoided if possible, until the situation becomes more clear.
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moldbug 15y ago
Robinson Jeffers, from "Original Sin," 1946: The man-brained and man-handed ground-ape, physically The most repulsive of all hot-blooded animals Up to that time of the world: they had dug a pitfall And caught a mammoth, but how could their sticks and stones Reach the life in that hide? They danced around the pit, shrieking With ape excitement, flinging sharp flints in vain, and the stench of their bodies Stained the white air of dawn; but presently one of them Remembered the yellow dancer, wood-eating fire That guards the cave-mouth: he ran and fetched him, and others Gathered sticks at the wood’s edge; they made a blaze And pushed it into the pit, and they fed it high, around the mired sides Of their huge prey. They watched the long hairy trunk Waver over the stifled trumpeting pain, And they were happy... http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/176425 http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/176425 While it's hard to fault Jeffers in this judgment, I would nonetheless insist that the chimpanzee is at least #2. Even gorillas are just plain vile. Last month I took the kids to see the gorillas at the SF Zoo, and one female took deadly aim at the audience with a pile of poo - missing, but barely. Perhaps the entire primate clade is just a mistake.
- ktizo 15y ago
  I'd throw shit at people if they kept me in a zoo.
- grannyg00se 15y ago
  Gorillas are just plain vile? Compared to what? You show children how we hold an animal captive for our own amusement and then you take offense when the animal shows discontent.
Mz 15y ago
Yes, and "only humans use tools...blahblahblah". Next, they will be teaching them sign language.
- sebastianmck 15y ago
  They have! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla)
  - Mz 15y ago
    I am seriously hoping that was intended as the punchline to my joke.
mikek 15y ago
Onionized headline: 'Asshole Chimp enjoys throwing rocks at unsuspeting onlookers'
josefonseca 15y ago
It is terrible to see these wild animals behaving just like civilized humans.
binarymax 15y ago
And I would think that this is something that comes naturally to them when performing their dominance displays. These are often aimed at making other apes move out of the way and, in effect, accept him as the boss. Or maybe he doesn't like being stuck in a cage and pointed at by countless onlookers?
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Produce 15y ago
This could be taken as a surprise display of intelligence by a non-human species or it could be interpreted as a testament to our arrogance in thinking that we are so far above the rest of nature. Almost every attribute traditionally thought to be uniquely human has been observed in other species. I think that the lesson here is that our furry, four legged and submersible co-habitants deserve more respect.
- sopooneo 15y ago
  I don't know. Finding the exact line is hard, but you can easily define uniquely human behavior.
Tomis02 15y ago
Zoos are a barbaric tradition from darker ages, it's very surprising to me that there aren't more outraged people that we keep animals against their will in confined spaces just so that we have something to gawk at during weekends. I understand efforts to preserve animals threatened by extinction, but this is not the case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo#Surplus_animals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo#Surplus_animals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo#Condition_of_the_animals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo#Condition_of_the_animals
chris_wot 15y ago
While that's pretty interesting, I think the next story was even better. Apparently, thinking is impaired in humans when they absolutely have to go to the toilet. Who would have thought it?

62 points by jamesbritt 15y ago

Planet of the apes! This is how it all starts. Swap out "chimpanzee" for "human" and you get the reverse article monitoring Taylor's escape attempts.

aortega 15y ago

"The calculated surprise attacks on visitors demonstrate very advanced thinking usually only associated with humans." It's more like very basic thinking usually only associated with human toddlers. Articles like this tend to exaggerate animal intelligence to sell more. But think about what humans (even human children!) are capable to do, we really play in another league.

PhearTheCeal 15y ago
But really, humans aren't that much smarter. If we didn't collect and teach knowledge we've gained from the past then an adult wouldn't be too much better off than a child. If this chimp was capable of passing on his knowledge to the next generation, I think they would only be a few thousand years off from where we are now.
- PerryCox 15y ago
  >If we didn't collect and teach knowledge we've gained from the past then an adult wouldn't be too much better off than a child. And yet apes aren't able to do even that.
  - ithkuil 15y ago
    You might have a "potential capability" to do something, yet you could miss some key aspect to actually do it. For example there are a lot of people you have a big creative potential, yet they are too lazy or lack of patience to actually do stuff for real. What does that mean? Are those humans "capable" of achieving these feats? Or the fact that they didn't actually do anything proves that they aren't? Cognitive science doesn't seek to judge the value of individuals, that's already our day job as social humans; we all do that constantly every day, that's what we ever did, since the dawn of time, judge other human fellows to praise the worth, and dispraise the villains; and of course we cannot refrain from extending this attitude towards others, other communities, tribes, races; let alone another species. A scientific quest to discover the origin of our cognitive abilities has to seek for similarities and not entrenching ourselves in our superiority in achievement. Of course, sometimes this might sound as if the claims are exaggerated, but you should always read the conclusions in the right context. It reminds me of somebody who told me "you know, Mayans were extremely advanced in astronomy", I asked back whether they had developed an heliocentric view of planetary motions, and he andwered "I told you, they were incredibly advanced!"; but this doesn't mean that they had a heliocentric view; advanced w.r.t what? I don't actually know, but I would be surprised if Maya had developed a heliocentric view. Being "advanced" in prediction of sun and star position doesn't mean more than what it means, yet people tend to use some assertions out of context to state things like "study demonstrates that apes are just like us" etc PS: w.r.t to apes and teaching http://www.livescience.com/7064-case-closed-apes-culture.html http://www.livescience.com/7064-case-closed-apes-culture.htm..., and you can find a lot of data about how apes transmit behavior (in some occasions also tool use etc)

pdx 15y ago

Department of Homeland Security says that they're aware of the situation and are monitoring it closely. They urge caution and suggest that travel to that area should be avoided if possible, until the situation becomes more clear.

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moldbug 15y ago

Robinson Jeffers, from "Original Sin," 1946: The man-brained and man-handed ground-ape, physically The most repulsive of all hot-blooded animals Up to that time of the world: they had dug a pitfall And caught a mammoth, but how could their sticks and stones Reach the life in that hide? They danced around the pit, shrieking With ape excitement, flinging sharp flints in vain, and the stench of their bodies Stained the white air of dawn; but presently one of them Remembered the yellow dancer, wood-eating fire That guards the cave-mouth: he ran and fetched him, and others Gathered sticks at the wood’s edge; they made a blaze And pushed it into the pit, and they fed it high, around the mired sides Of their huge prey. They watched the long hairy trunk Waver over the stifled trumpeting pain, And they were happy... http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/176425 http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/176425 While it's hard to fault Jeffers in this judgment, I would nonetheless insist that the chimpanzee is at least #2. Even gorillas are just plain vile. Last month I took the kids to see the gorillas at the SF Zoo, and one female took deadly aim at the audience with a pile of poo - missing, but barely. Perhaps the entire primate clade is just a mistake.

ktizo 15y ago
I'd throw shit at people if they kept me in a zoo.
grannyg00se 15y ago
Gorillas are just plain vile? Compared to what? You show children how we hold an animal captive for our own amusement and then you take offense when the animal shows discontent.

Mz 15y ago

Yes, and "only humans use tools...blahblahblah". Next, they will be teaching them sign language.

sebastianmck 15y ago
They have! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla)
- Mz 15y ago
  I am seriously hoping that was intended as the punchline to my joke.

mikek 15y ago

Onionized headline: 'Asshole Chimp enjoys throwing rocks at unsuspeting onlookers'

josefonseca 15y ago

It is terrible to see these wild animals behaving just like civilized humans.

binarymax 15y ago

And I would think that this is something that comes naturally to them when performing their dominance displays. These are often aimed at making other apes move out of the way and, in effect, accept him as the boss. Or maybe he doesn't like being stuck in a cage and pointed at by countless onlookers?

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Produce 15y ago

This could be taken as a surprise display of intelligence by a non-human species or it could be interpreted as a testament to our arrogance in thinking that we are so far above the rest of nature. Almost every attribute traditionally thought to be uniquely human has been observed in other species. I think that the lesson here is that our furry, four legged and submersible co-habitants deserve more respect.

sopooneo 15y ago
I don't know. Finding the exact line is hard, but you can easily define uniquely human behavior.

Tomis02 15y ago

Zoos are a barbaric tradition from darker ages, it's very surprising to me that there aren't more outraged people that we keep animals against their will in confined spaces just so that we have something to gawk at during weekends. I understand efforts to preserve animals threatened by extinction, but this is not the case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo#Surplus_animals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo#Surplus_animals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo#Condition_of_the_animals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo#Condition_of_the_animals

chris_wot 15y ago

While that's pretty interesting, I think the next story was even better. Apparently, thinking is impaired in humans when they absolutely have to go to the toilet. Who would have thought it?