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Are you a drug user? You realize that drugs have a side effects, right? Why should anyone use it, anyway?

by maverick451 3y ago

darthrupert 3y ago
For the primary effects, mostly.
- maverick451 3y ago
  You don't say. Drugs are overrated, there are much better things to do with life than to turn yourself into a cartoon character or a walking zombie. It is a cheap escapism.
  - wryoak 3y ago
    Not nearly as cheap as a Netflix account. In most markets you can get probably five joints tops for the same price as a streaming service’s monthly cost. Or, by god, they just give away endless books at libraries. You don’t even need any money for that kind of escapism or fallacious information. Escapism isn’t an essentially bad thing anymore than is posting on an internet message board. It’s just an issue of frequency and intention.
  - Morte42 3y ago
    Life is so bad for so many Americans that cheap escapism with a high chance of death is worthwhile. Thats the problem in my opinion because these people are creating demand for something nobody should want in the first place.
  - darthrupert 3y ago
    Gazing into the sky I sometimes think absolutely everything we do is escapism. Some of those better things to do may become even better with a moderate amount of drugs.
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Why should anyone use it, anyway? Why do people drink or eat edibles? Because it’s fun, it’s novel and possibly also because it’s risky.
- maverick451 3y ago
  Exactly. And what all that have to do with drugs anyway? They are neither fun nor novel nor especially risky from a legal point of view. Just degenerate and debilitating.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > what all that have to do with drugs anyway? Alcohol and cannabis are drugs. Tobacco and alcohol are more harmful than LSD, GSB or ecstasy [1][2]. > are neither fun nor novel nor especially risky from a legal point of view Seriously? I've never taken LSD, but there are exactly zero accounts that characterise it as "neither fun nor novel." Also, we're debating drugs' legality. Saying they're dangerous because they're illegal is tautological. > just degenerate and debilitating Amphetamines, opiates and tropane alkaloids have legitimate medical uses. And there are cultures with a long history of responsibly using them. I don't agree with OP in being overly permissive with their distribution; many people can't handle them, and until we can predict which people can't handle which drugs recreationally, due to neurochemistry or personality issues, I'm against broad legalisation. But plenty of people–including extremely productive, society-improving people (e.g. Paul Erdõs [3])–used drugs, while plenty of sober people are useless and boring. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Drugs-Without-Hot-David-Nutt/dp/1906860165 https://www.amazon.com/Drugs-Without-Hot-David-Nutt/dp/19068... [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Development_of_a_rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_of_potential_misuse_(physical_harm_and_dependence,_NA_free_means).svg/300px-Development_of_a_rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_of_potential_misuse_(physical_harm_and_dependence,_NA_free_means).svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/De... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Erdős https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Erdős
    - maverick451 3y ago

Are you a drug user? You realize that drugs have a side effects, right? Why should anyone use it, anyway?

darthrupert 3y ago

For the primary effects, mostly.

maverick451 3y ago
You don't say. Drugs are overrated, there are much better things to do with life than to turn yourself into a cartoon character or a walking zombie. It is a cheap escapism.
- wryoak 3y ago
  Not nearly as cheap as a Netflix account. In most markets you can get probably five joints tops for the same price as a streaming service’s monthly cost. Or, by god, they just give away endless books at libraries. You don’t even need any money for that kind of escapism or fallacious information. Escapism isn’t an essentially bad thing anymore than is posting on an internet message board. It’s just an issue of frequency and intention.
- Morte42 3y ago
  Life is so bad for so many Americans that cheap escapism with a high chance of death is worthwhile. Thats the problem in my opinion because these people are creating demand for something nobody should want in the first place.
- darthrupert 3y ago
  Gazing into the sky I sometimes think absolutely everything we do is escapism. Some of those better things to do may become even better with a moderate amount of drugs.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> Why should anyone use it, anyway? Why do people drink or eat edibles? Because it’s fun, it’s novel and possibly also because it’s risky.

maverick451 3y ago
Exactly. And what all that have to do with drugs anyway? They are neither fun nor novel nor especially risky from a legal point of view. Just degenerate and debilitating.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > what all that have to do with drugs anyway? Alcohol and cannabis are drugs. Tobacco and alcohol are more harmful than LSD, GSB or ecstasy [1][2]. > are neither fun nor novel nor especially risky from a legal point of view Seriously? I've never taken LSD, but there are exactly zero accounts that characterise it as "neither fun nor novel." Also, we're debating drugs' legality. Saying they're dangerous because they're illegal is tautological. > just degenerate and debilitating Amphetamines, opiates and tropane alkaloids have legitimate medical uses. And there are cultures with a long history of responsibly using them. I don't agree with OP in being overly permissive with their distribution; many people can't handle them, and until we can predict which people can't handle which drugs recreationally, due to neurochemistry or personality issues, I'm against broad legalisation. But plenty of people–including extremely productive, society-improving people (e.g. Paul Erdõs [3])–used drugs, while plenty of sober people are useless and boring. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Drugs-Without-Hot-David-Nutt/dp/1906860165 https://www.amazon.com/Drugs-Without-Hot-David-Nutt/dp/19068... [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Development_of_a_rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_of_potential_misuse_(physical_harm_and_dependence,_NA_free_means).svg/300px-Development_of_a_rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_of_potential_misuse_(physical_harm_and_dependence,_NA_free_means).svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/De... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Erdős https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Erdős
  - maverick451 3y ago