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The only solution to the drug problem is full legalization of all drugs. They should be manufactured by big pharma and sold in grocery stores. No question aske

The only solution to the drug problem is full legalization of all drugs. They should be manufactured by big pharma and sold in grocery stores. No question asked. Poor people should have acess to subsidized prices. We should also invest in educational programs where people are taught about drugs and how to consume them in a safe way. These programs should sample all major drugs so that one can find out if they should become a consumer and what is the right drug for them.

laluser 3y ago
And then slowly die?
- unkulunkulu 3y ago
  if the drugs are really cheap then arguably they die a less painful death
- mz00 3y ago
  Don’t we all?
throwitaway222 3y ago
y?
jedberg 3y ago
You missed a key part. They need to be given in special consumption centers that have narcan on hand and other emergency equipment for OD. You also need to provide counseling and free detox for the people who want to get off the drugs.
- jjackson5324 3y ago
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- TylerE 3y ago
  Narcan should just be everywhere. Hell, stick it next to every fire alarm. You'd save so, so so many lives for very little cost. Narcan is absolutely safe. If you're not high it does nothing.
jjackson5324 3y ago
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- rrr_oh_man 3y ago
  What do children have to do with this?
  - jjackson5324 3y ago
    Who do you think goes in these grocery stores?
  - lakpan 3y ago
    What kind of question is this? If drugs are sold without limits, then children will also be affected. The right answer is that they would still need to be controlled just like cigarettes and alcohol.
    - mharig 3y ago
      When I was young there was no control of alcohol or tobacco. And I do not think that that lack pushed the consumption significantly. Nannies should care about babies, not older children.
      - lakpan 3y ago
        When I was young, kids in middle school would pick up smoking. Just because it didn’t happen to you it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I’m against the general “what about the kids” rhetoric, but in this case it’s both important and easy to implement, because sellers already card you for the aforementioned purchases.
        mharig 3y ago
        Didn't find a timeseries for the percentage of smokers, which is suspicious, so I guess nobody can say what role tobacco control did play. The percentage of smokers in the group of 14-17 year olds in Germany has doubled from 2021 to 2022, despite all the pervert laws. Edit: Btw, I did pick up smoking when I was 14. Abandoned it half a year later. The development of kids to adults needs exploration. If you steal that, you steal childhood. And, as history from the seventies to nowadays proves, if you begin to regulate something that might seem necessary, there will rise assholes that regulate way too much. Find another way to minimize harm.
maverick451 3y ago
Are you a drug user? You realize that drugs have a side effects, right? Why should anyone use it, anyway?
- darthrupert 3y ago
  For the primary effects, mostly.
  - maverick451 3y ago
    You don't say. Drugs are overrated, there are much better things to do with life than to turn yourself into a cartoon character or a walking zombie. It is a cheap escapism.
    - wryoak 3y ago
      Not nearly as cheap as a Netflix account. In most markets you can get probably five joints tops for the same price as a streaming service’s monthly cost. Or, by god, they just give away endless books at libraries. You don’t even need any money for that kind of escapism or fallacious information. Escapism isn’t an essentially bad thing anymore than is posting on an internet message board. It’s just an issue of frequency and intention.
    - Morte42 3y ago
      Life is so bad for so many Americans that cheap escapism with a high chance of death is worthwhile. Thats the problem in my opinion because these people are creating demand for something nobody should want in the first place.
    - darthrupert 3y ago
      Gazing into the sky I sometimes think absolutely everything we do is escapism. Some of those better things to do may become even better with a moderate amount of drugs.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Why should anyone use it, anyway? Why do people drink or eat edibles? Because it’s fun, it’s novel and possibly also because it’s risky.
cousin_it 3y ago
That will solve the criminality problem, but not the drug problem. Alcohol is legal and sold in stores, does that solve the problems caused by alcohol? No, alcoholism is very widespread and causes huge suffering. The same thing will happen if drugs get fully legalized: since accessing drugs will be easier and cheaper, more people will use them, addiction will become more widespread and cause huge suffering. Inability to enjoy other things and all that.
- danlugo92 3y ago
  > huge suffering Wars cause more suffering than any drug yet here we are still having them in 2024.
  - teaearlgraycold 3y ago
    Don’t forget about the wars caused by drugs.
    - danlugo92 3y ago
      Right right, which we can do away with if they get legalized
- bradhe 3y ago
  How would you describe the drug problem? I think people tend to talk past each other on this topic. Parent's proposal is that we stop automatically calling drug usage a problem. The part about dealing with education, etc., are ways of treating the _addiction_ problem. Perhaps that's what you meant?
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- amatic 3y ago
  > That will solve the criminality problem, but not the drug problem. That is exactly right. The drug problem, like the alcohol problem, on the level of personal suffering should be addressed by other means, like support groups, therapy, ban of advertising, ban on selling to minors, etc. It will not stop the drugs, but it will remove the criminality from the production and distribution. Don't you think the tradeoff was worth it for alcohol?
JSavageOne 3y ago
How would that solve anything? In San Francisco drugs are practically already legalized, and filled with junkies openly doing fentanyl on the sidewalks.
blahyawnblah 3y ago
I disagree. Making drugs readily available in grocery stores, even with regulations, could lead to increased accessibility, potentially attracting more users, including those who might not otherwise consider trying them. The act of selling drugs in stores could normalize drug use, leading some to underestimate the inherent dangers. Full legalization does not guarantee a decrease in addiction rates. Addiction is a complex issue with various contributing factors, and readily available drugs could easily lead to increased dependence and associated health problems. Sampling programs, especially for highly addictive drugs, raise ethical concerns and could introduce individuals to substances they wouldn't have tried otherwise. Even with legalization, a black market might still exist, offering unregulated and potentially more dangerous substances at lower prices, especially for those unable to afford legal options. Increased drug use could have broader societal and economic consequences. It might lead to decreased productivity, increased crime rates, and strained family structures.

laluser 3y ago

And then slowly die?

unkulunkulu 3y ago
if the drugs are really cheap then arguably they die a less painful death
mz00 3y ago
Don’t we all?

throwitaway222 3y ago

jedberg 3y ago

You missed a key part. They need to be given in special consumption centers that have narcan on hand and other emergency equipment for OD. You also need to provide counseling and free detox for the people who want to get off the drugs.

jjackson5324 3y ago
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TylerE 3y ago
Narcan should just be everywhere. Hell, stick it next to every fire alarm. You'd save so, so so many lives for very little cost. Narcan is absolutely safe. If you're not high it does nothing.

jjackson5324 3y ago

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rrr_oh_man 3y ago
What do children have to do with this?
- jjackson5324 3y ago
  Who do you think goes in these grocery stores?
- lakpan 3y ago
  What kind of question is this? If drugs are sold without limits, then children will also be affected. The right answer is that they would still need to be controlled just like cigarettes and alcohol.
  - mharig 3y ago
    When I was young there was no control of alcohol or tobacco. And I do not think that that lack pushed the consumption significantly. Nannies should care about babies, not older children.
    - lakpan 3y ago
      When I was young, kids in middle school would pick up smoking. Just because it didn’t happen to you it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I’m against the general “what about the kids” rhetoric, but in this case it’s both important and easy to implement, because sellers already card you for the aforementioned purchases.
      - mharig 3y ago
        Didn't find a timeseries for the percentage of smokers, which is suspicious, so I guess nobody can say what role tobacco control did play. The percentage of smokers in the group of 14-17 year olds in Germany has doubled from 2021 to 2022, despite all the pervert laws. Edit: Btw, I did pick up smoking when I was 14. Abandoned it half a year later. The development of kids to adults needs exploration. If you steal that, you steal childhood. And, as history from the seventies to nowadays proves, if you begin to regulate something that might seem necessary, there will rise assholes that regulate way too much. Find another way to minimize harm.

maverick451 3y ago

Are you a drug user? You realize that drugs have a side effects, right? Why should anyone use it, anyway?

darthrupert 3y ago
For the primary effects, mostly.
- maverick451 3y ago
  You don't say. Drugs are overrated, there are much better things to do with life than to turn yourself into a cartoon character or a walking zombie. It is a cheap escapism.
  - wryoak 3y ago
    Not nearly as cheap as a Netflix account. In most markets you can get probably five joints tops for the same price as a streaming service’s monthly cost. Or, by god, they just give away endless books at libraries. You don’t even need any money for that kind of escapism or fallacious information. Escapism isn’t an essentially bad thing anymore than is posting on an internet message board. It’s just an issue of frequency and intention.
  - Morte42 3y ago
    Life is so bad for so many Americans that cheap escapism with a high chance of death is worthwhile. Thats the problem in my opinion because these people are creating demand for something nobody should want in the first place.
  - darthrupert 3y ago
    Gazing into the sky I sometimes think absolutely everything we do is escapism. Some of those better things to do may become even better with a moderate amount of drugs.
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Why should anyone use it, anyway? Why do people drink or eat edibles? Because it’s fun, it’s novel and possibly also because it’s risky.

cousin_it 3y ago

That will solve the criminality problem, but not the drug problem. Alcohol is legal and sold in stores, does that solve the problems caused by alcohol? No, alcoholism is very widespread and causes huge suffering. The same thing will happen if drugs get fully legalized: since accessing drugs will be easier and cheaper, more people will use them, addiction will become more widespread and cause huge suffering. Inability to enjoy other things and all that.

danlugo92 3y ago
> huge suffering Wars cause more suffering than any drug yet here we are still having them in 2024.
- teaearlgraycold 3y ago
  Don’t forget about the wars caused by drugs.
  - danlugo92 3y ago
    Right right, which we can do away with if they get legalized
bradhe 3y ago
How would you describe the drug problem? I think people tend to talk past each other on this topic. Parent's proposal is that we stop automatically calling drug usage a problem. The part about dealing with education, etc., are ways of treating the _addiction_ problem. Perhaps that's what you meant?
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
amatic 3y ago
> That will solve the criminality problem, but not the drug problem. That is exactly right. The drug problem, like the alcohol problem, on the level of personal suffering should be addressed by other means, like support groups, therapy, ban of advertising, ban on selling to minors, etc. It will not stop the drugs, but it will remove the criminality from the production and distribution. Don't you think the tradeoff was worth it for alcohol?

JSavageOne 3y ago

How would that solve anything? In San Francisco drugs are practically already legalized, and filled with junkies openly doing fentanyl on the sidewalks.

blahyawnblah 3y ago

I disagree. Making drugs readily available in grocery stores, even with regulations, could lead to increased accessibility, potentially attracting more users, including those who might not otherwise consider trying them. The act of selling drugs in stores could normalize drug use, leading some to underestimate the inherent dangers. Full legalization does not guarantee a decrease in addiction rates. Addiction is a complex issue with various contributing factors, and readily available drugs could easily lead to increased dependence and associated health problems. Sampling programs, especially for highly addictive drugs, raise ethical concerns and could introduce individuals to substances they wouldn't have tried otherwise. Even with legalization, a black market might still exist, offering unregulated and potentially more dangerous substances at lower prices, especially for those unable to afford legal options. Increased drug use could have broader societal and economic consequences. It might lead to decreased productivity, increased crime rates, and strained family structures.