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> Believe it or not, many workers don't actually enjoy their work, their company, their boss or their job There are a lot of people that don't enjoy their jobs

> Believe it or not, many workers don't actually enjoy their work, their company, their boss or their job There are a lot of people that don't enjoy their jobs, but do the work because they're getting paid to do it. You seem to assume that anyone doing their job _only_ because they're being paid to do it will _not_ do their job if they can get away with it (even though they're still being paid to do so). Not everyone is a horrible person. Plenty of people will continue to do their job even if they could lie and not do it; because they agreed "if you pay me, I will do my job". I've had times where I wasn't enjoying my job, but I still did the work... because that's the agreement I had with the company I worked for. And, like a lot of people, I wouldn't see it as acceptable to scam the company I work for.

BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
Eh scamming companies is fine, especially as they get larger. Companies scam employees whenever they get the chance.
- error_logic 3y ago
  Classic tragedy of the commons and hypercompetitive destructive incentives which hurt everyone in the end, sort of like this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRz54V7rU4U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRz54V7rU4U
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>There are a lot of people that don't enjoy their jobs, but do the work because they're getting paid to do it. How's that different from what I just said?
- belval 3y ago
  > they don't care for the work itself, so of course they'll take every opportunity they get to slack off and watch Netflix if they can. Overall you do make it sound like you condone this, I got the same read as the person you are responding to...
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    I don't condone it, I'm just saying it how it is in reality.
- RHSeeger 3y ago
  Because you said "the vast majority" of workers would not bother actually working, and very much sounded like you were saying that the subset of people that don't enjoy their jobs is the same subset that would watch netflix instead of doing their work. I don't think that's true at all. I think most people will attempt to fulfill the obligations they signed up for; their job.
jokethrowaway 3y ago
There's no expectation you're going to work 8 hours in the office. What if you're taking a break? What about drinking a coffee? Chatting with coworkers? Playing table tennis or some arcade videogame in the break area? Various studies point at a lower bound for endurance when doing knowledge work. Some say 4h. As long as they get something done those employees will still feel like they put in their day of work and they will still get good reviews. Could they have done it in half the time? Maybe, but who can tell? I'm my own boss and I'm paid if I deliver results (and I think everyone should work like this, being an employee is opaque and overall sucks for earning potential if you are a good performer) but sometimes I put on a movie on a second screen while I'm working, mainly to make dull work (it's crazy how much you can charge to write the same old boring API or the same old Reaxt component for the n-th time) more tolerable. I'm definitely working slower but at least I'm getting things done without losing the will to live. Am I stealing time from my business?
- Thiez 3y ago
  You're not maximizing shareholder profit, but you are maximizing shareholder happiness.

BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago

Eh scamming companies is fine, especially as they get larger. Companies scam employees whenever they get the chance.

error_logic 3y ago
Classic tragedy of the commons and hypercompetitive destructive incentives which hurt everyone in the end, sort of like this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRz54V7rU4U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRz54V7rU4U

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>There are a lot of people that don't enjoy their jobs, but do the work because they're getting paid to do it. How's that different from what I just said?

belval 3y ago
> they don't care for the work itself, so of course they'll take every opportunity they get to slack off and watch Netflix if they can. Overall you do make it sound like you condone this, I got the same read as the person you are responding to...
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  I don't condone it, I'm just saying it how it is in reality.
RHSeeger 3y ago
Because you said "the vast majority" of workers would not bother actually working, and very much sounded like you were saying that the subset of people that don't enjoy their jobs is the same subset that would watch netflix instead of doing their work. I don't think that's true at all. I think most people will attempt to fulfill the obligations they signed up for; their job.

jokethrowaway 3y ago

There's no expectation you're going to work 8 hours in the office. What if you're taking a break? What about drinking a coffee? Chatting with coworkers? Playing table tennis or some arcade videogame in the break area? Various studies point at a lower bound for endurance when doing knowledge work. Some say 4h. As long as they get something done those employees will still feel like they put in their day of work and they will still get good reviews. Could they have done it in half the time? Maybe, but who can tell? I'm my own boss and I'm paid if I deliver results (and I think everyone should work like this, being an employee is opaque and overall sucks for earning potential if you are a good performer) but sometimes I put on a movie on a second screen while I'm working, mainly to make dull work (it's crazy how much you can charge to write the same old boring API or the same old Reaxt component for the n-th time) more tolerable. I'm definitely working slower but at least I'm getting things done without losing the will to live. Am I stealing time from my business?

Thiez 3y ago
You're not maximizing shareholder profit, but you are maximizing shareholder happiness.