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> Simple. Because Rust doesn't have BLAS, at least not yet. Though I doubt that I'll ever migrate my high performance code to Rust. Perfectly valid, though in

> Simple. Because Rust doesn't have BLAS, at least not yet. Though I doubt that I'll ever migrate my high performance code to Rust. Perfectly valid, though in the light of this I'd say your arguments against Rust come off as biased in favor of a single use-case and I am sure you're aware of this. > No need to snark. Okay, though I am guessing you understood that the snark was because you criticized something that's beyond the control of at least 95% of all working programmers everywhere. I get the stream of consciousness part, I just didn't feel that that part of your comment was helpful of the discussion. Sorry if I came across as rude. > I think I need to clarify once more: I'm not against Rust. I'm against weaponization of Rust (via LLVM, via RIIR w/MIT, radical evangelism, etc.). I've read all your other comments and I am not disputing that you are arguing in good faith; IMO that much is visible, I just find it slightly puzzling how your stance on it is kind of going up and down. :) The second part of your quote above is a bit bizarre because it's been quite a while since I've seen Rust zealotry on HN (at least 2.5 years IIRC). Every community has bad apples, IMO you don't need to preemptively defend against the a-holes that every community has (and that haven't shown up on HN for a long time, as far as I can tell at least). > The thing is, my work is a hobby that pays. While that likely does wonders for your mental health (and makes me envy you and get saddened that it's not the case for me) it also comes with this unique drawback that you already observed: you get called out by the programmers who don't work in the area(s) they love for not utilizing guard rails that are a good practice in a team setting. This is also likely made even worse by the fact that you work solo. Again, good for you, for real, but that also makes you biased in a way that seems... not very team-cooperative. I don't stamp PRs with an approval if they don't cover a certain baseline of testing, type specs (for dynamic languages), some docs / comments, and the like. Tinkering is nice and all but I'd probably make your life living hell if I had to review your PRs. :D (Have to stop here for a few secs to giggle.) > I'm not a zealot living with a single language. Nor is any Rust dev that I knew (dozens). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > My beef is always with the community of a language, not the language itself. OK, that's valid but I'd still urge you to reassess your opinion of the Rust community. I haven't met a legit a-hole in years. There are always some dismissive people on this or that forum but meh, vanishing minority to the point that I don't remember the last time I received a semi-snarky response on a subreddit or on the Rust Users forum. And finally: > You have a very wrong image of me in your head. That is quite likely, written text does not carry tone and spirit at all. Though that always has two sides: I misconstrued some of your comments more negatively than I should but maybe you also didn't come across as neutral as you are saying that you are (example: you seem to be negatively biased towards the Rust community). No harm done IMO, and I don't think that I disagree strongly with anything you said. I am mostly saying that you working what you love and working solo is keeping you quite disconnected from what are good team practices. Maybe you have a compiler in your brain as you have alluded to but I will trust a good test suite over a human brain every day.

bayindirh 3y ago
> your arguments against Rust come off as biased. Yes, I'm pretty aware of this, and I keep this bias voluntarily, because Rust is generally touted (hyped?) as a Silver Bullet, and I'm wary of Silver Bullets. So, I want to highlight that fact. > Sorry if I came across as rude. No hard feelings. As I said, I'm not under delusion of a perfect life. I just said it. > I just find it slightly puzzling how your stance on it is kind of going up and down. :) I have a habit of mirroring the tone of the person I'm talking with. Combine it with the fact that English is not my native language, it's possible that "tone adjustment" is far from perfect. > it's been quite a while since I've seen Rust zealotry on HN... Yes, there's no zealotry here, and it's great, but I'm exposed to a wider community than HN people. Unfortunately, HN represents very small percent of the programmers around. A great talk I like about this issue is Robert Martin's "What Killed Smalltalk Could Kill Ruby, Too" [0]. Let's say, I'm marred and bitter from tons of zealotry and flamewars over the years (yes, I'm not young folk). > While that likely does wonders for your mental health... [Snipped for brevity] First of all, thanks. I pray that you work in a place you love and never work again. I'm very aware that how being solo makes me different and biased, and I think I highlighted at a couple of places. On the other hand, I understand what teams and team-related activities are important for code quality. Let's say that I work as a team of two people. Current me knows everything about code, and my future me which inherits that code. So, I always code and comment for my future self, who doesn't know anything about the code. I always sharpen my axe, and try to improve myself as a "team of one". My personal state of the art of this practice is at [1]. I'll reflect what I have learnt from this project to the next one. The fact is while I do extensive C++ testing, I yet to pick up Go's testing abilities. That'll be the next step probably. > Tinkering is nice and all but I'd probably make your life living hell if I had to review your PRs. :D Give it a look at [1], and maybe [2], and let's have a chat again. I'm not perfect, for sure, but I think I'm no basement dweller when it comes to code and docs quality. :D > OK, that's valid but I'd still urge you to reassess your opinion of the Rust community. As a recovering grumpy, I'll do. I don't like to be bitter grampa (to be). I'm fine with the grampa part, but not with the bitter part. > No harm done IMO, and I don't think that I disagree strongly with anything you said. Same, no hard feelings here. I can say that you're good sport even, and I don't use this lightly. I enjoyed what you wrote and writing this comment. > I am mostly saying that you working what you love and working solo is keeping you quite disconnected from what are good team practices. Of course, but I'm trying to incorporate the good practices I can use as a team of two (as aforementioned). Also, I'm mingling with more Free Software teams than I might show. > Maybe you have a compiler in your brain as you have alluded to but I will trust a good test suite over a human brain every day. I'll trust my brain first, then evaluate that with the compiler, then evaluate the end product with a good test suite. Then feed what I learnt to myself, so I don't repeat the same mistakes as much as I can. My intuition gives me perspective, but I always operate on the assumption that I'm the worst programmer in the universe (no kidding). [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX3iRjKj7C0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX3iRjKj7C0 [1]: https://git.sr.ht/~bayindirh/nudge https://git.sr.ht/~bayindirh/nudge [2]: https://github.com/TRUBA-HPC/lssrv https://github.com/TRUBA-HPC/lssrv

bayindirh 3y ago

> your arguments against Rust come off as biased. Yes, I'm pretty aware of this, and I keep this bias voluntarily, because Rust is generally touted (hyped?) as a Silver Bullet, and I'm wary of Silver Bullets. So, I want to highlight that fact. > Sorry if I came across as rude. No hard feelings. As I said, I'm not under delusion of a perfect life. I just said it. > I just find it slightly puzzling how your stance on it is kind of going up and down. :) I have a habit of mirroring the tone of the person I'm talking with. Combine it with the fact that English is not my native language, it's possible that "tone adjustment" is far from perfect. > it's been quite a while since I've seen Rust zealotry on HN... Yes, there's no zealotry here, and it's great, but I'm exposed to a wider community than HN people. Unfortunately, HN represents very small percent of the programmers around. A great talk I like about this issue is Robert Martin's "What Killed Smalltalk Could Kill Ruby, Too" [0]. Let's say, I'm marred and bitter from tons of zealotry and flamewars over the years (yes, I'm not young folk). > While that likely does wonders for your mental health... [Snipped for brevity] First of all, thanks. I pray that you work in a place you love and never work again. I'm very aware that how being solo makes me different and biased, and I think I highlighted at a couple of places. On the other hand, I understand what teams and team-related activities are important for code quality. Let's say that I work as a team of two people. Current me knows everything about code, and my future me which inherits that code. So, I always code and comment for my future self, who doesn't know anything about the code. I always sharpen my axe, and try to improve myself as a "team of one". My personal state of the art of this practice is at [1]. I'll reflect what I have learnt from this project to the next one. The fact is while I do extensive C++ testing, I yet to pick up Go's testing abilities. That'll be the next step probably. > Tinkering is nice and all but I'd probably make your life living hell if I had to review your PRs. :D Give it a look at [1], and maybe [2], and let's have a chat again. I'm not perfect, for sure, but I think I'm no basement dweller when it comes to code and docs quality. :D > OK, that's valid but I'd still urge you to reassess your opinion of the Rust community. As a recovering grumpy, I'll do. I don't like to be bitter grampa (to be). I'm fine with the grampa part, but not with the bitter part. > No harm done IMO, and I don't think that I disagree strongly with anything you said. Same, no hard feelings here. I can say that you're good sport even, and I don't use this lightly. I enjoyed what you wrote and writing this comment. > I am mostly saying that you working what you love and working solo is keeping you quite disconnected from what are good team practices. Of course, but I'm trying to incorporate the good practices I can use as a team of two (as aforementioned). Also, I'm mingling with more Free Software teams than I might show. > Maybe you have a compiler in your brain as you have alluded to but I will trust a good test suite over a human brain every day. I'll trust my brain first, then evaluate that with the compiler, then evaluate the end product with a good test suite. Then feed what I learnt to myself, so I don't repeat the same mistakes as much as I can. My intuition gives me perspective, but I always operate on the assumption that I'm the worst programmer in the universe (no kidding). [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX3iRjKj7C0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX3iRjKj7C0 [1]: https://git.sr.ht/~bayindirh/nudge https://git.sr.ht/~bayindirh/nudge [2]: https://github.com/TRUBA-HPC/lssrv https://github.com/TRUBA-HPC/lssrv