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AFAIK they killed nuclear and pushed towards natural gas (from Russia) at the time.

Krasnol 3y ago
They never "pushed towards natural gas" and nuclear was killed by the Merkel Government while also stopping all renewable expansion for 16 years. Nuclear has been replaced many years ago by renewables in Germany. Stop spreading Michael Shillenbergers propaganda. Germany doesn't need nuclear the same way they don't need Russian gas anymore. You should all cheer for the Greens and for their foresight towards the end of the 90s when they pushed for renewables. Germany would still be struggling without them and Putin's gas if it hadn't been for their push for renewables.
- lobocinza 3y ago
  I don't know Michael Shillenbergers. I'm not German and don't know a lot about German politics but a quick research showed me that you said a lot of BS. To summarize: > The anti-nuclear protests were also a driving force of the green movement in Germany, from which the party The Greens evolved. When they first came to power in the Schröder administration of 1998 they achieved their major political goal for which they had fought for 20 years: abandoning nuclear energy in Germany. -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear_movement_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear_movement_in_Germa... The Greens were always against nuclear. It's hypocritical to blame Merkel government as the phase out was planned decades before, Merkel initially wanted to delay it but was faced with protest and backlash from Greens. Renewables drastically expanded in Germany but if you look at the evolution of German energy matrix you will see that renewables mostly coupled with increased energy demand while nuclear phase out came at a cost of increased usage and reliance on natural gas which naturally comes from Russia. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_image/public/paragraphs/images/fig1-installed-net-power-generation-capacity-germany-2002-2023.png https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/g... It's no surprise that: > After the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, Schröder was criticized for his policies towards Vladimir Putin's government, his work for Russian state-owned companies, and his lobbying on behalf of Russia. On 1 March 2022, Schröder's entire staff including long-time office manager Albrecht Funk resigned due to Schröder's alliances with Russia and Putin directly. On 8 March 2022 the Public Prosecutor General initiated proceedings related to accusations against Schröder of complicity in crimes against humanity due to his role in Russian state-owned corporations. The CDU/CSU group demanded that Schröder be included in the European Union sanctions against individuals with ties to the Russian government. -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der
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  - Krasnol 3y ago
    > I don't know Michael Shillenbergers. You don't have to. It's a feature of the internet. BS spreads and everybody tries to make it look like they came up with it by themselves. > The Greens were always against nuclear. It's hypocritical to blame Merkel government as the phase out was planned decades before, Merkel initially wanted to delay it but was faced with protest and backlash from Greens. Seems you didn't read that much. Yes, the phase out was decided during the Schröder Government (where the Greens were also the minor party btw) but Merkel DID delay it. Then Fukushima happened, and the delay was history, with the same CDU politicians pushing for the end of nuclear. Merkel was in power for 16! years. She didn't stop it before Fukushima (only delayed it for a few years) and she didn't stop it years after Fukushima. The simple and plain reason for that is that nobody besides a fascist fringe party and their followers want it back. It's done and gone. It's one of the few things in this country where people are OK with it. Blaming "dem Greens" is ridiculous and yes, it shows that you are not German. You just have no idea. You ate up what Shillenberger fed you and the whole of the internet and just repeat it without bothering. > Renewables drastically expanded in Germany but if you look at the evolution of German energy matrix you will see that renewables mostly coupled with increased energy demand while nuclear phase out came at a cost of increased usage and reliance on natural gas which naturally comes from Russia. Besides the fact that renewables have expanded, everything about this paragraph is wrong and you know it which is why you didn't link to the whole page: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c... Also: you might not have realized that but the explosion of NS was 2022 and the natural gas prices have recovered https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/PlattsContent/_assets/_images/latest-news/19633e18-4729-41d5-849b-99358aaa0cbc.svg https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/PlattsContent/_as... It's 2024, and you keep on repeating statements based upon fake news. Or as you say: "BS". We don't give a damn about Putins gas anymore. Neither in Germany nor in the rest of Europe. Stop spreading fake news.
    - iso8859-1 3y ago
      > fascist fringe party I suppose you're referring to AfD, which is not fringe, its the second largest party in opinion polls. CDU and FDP are also pro-nuclear : https://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/kein-totes-pferd-fdp-cdu-und-afd-offen-fuer-atomkraft-rueckkehr-19147778.html https://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/kein-totes-pferd-fd... > We don't give a damn about Putins gas anymore. BSW is now larger than Die Linke and one of their major policy proposals is about reconciling with Russia to get cheap gas. I think people very much worry about the cost of living.

They never "pushed towards natural gas" and nuclear was killed by the Merkel Government while also stopping all renewable expansion for 16 years. Nuclear has been replaced many years ago by renewables in Germany. Stop spreading Michael Shillenbergers propaganda. Germany doesn't need nuclear the same way they don't need Russian gas anymore. You should all cheer for the Greens and for their foresight towards the end of the 90s when they pushed for renewables. Germany would still be struggling without them and Putin's gas if it hadn't been for their push for renewables.

lobocinza 3y ago
I don't know Michael Shillenbergers. I'm not German and don't know a lot about German politics but a quick research showed me that you said a lot of BS. To summarize: > The anti-nuclear protests were also a driving force of the green movement in Germany, from which the party The Greens evolved. When they first came to power in the Schröder administration of 1998 they achieved their major political goal for which they had fought for 20 years: abandoning nuclear energy in Germany. -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear_movement_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear_movement_in_Germa... The Greens were always against nuclear. It's hypocritical to blame Merkel government as the phase out was planned decades before, Merkel initially wanted to delay it but was faced with protest and backlash from Greens. Renewables drastically expanded in Germany but if you look at the evolution of German energy matrix you will see that renewables mostly coupled with increased energy demand while nuclear phase out came at a cost of increased usage and reliance on natural gas which naturally comes from Russia. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_image/public/paragraphs/images/fig1-installed-net-power-generation-capacity-germany-2002-2023.png https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/g... It's no surprise that: > After the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, Schröder was criticized for his policies towards Vladimir Putin's government, his work for Russian state-owned companies, and his lobbying on behalf of Russia. On 1 March 2022, Schröder's entire staff including long-time office manager Albrecht Funk resigned due to Schröder's alliances with Russia and Putin directly. On 8 March 2022 the Public Prosecutor General initiated proceedings related to accusations against Schröder of complicity in crimes against humanity due to his role in Russian state-owned corporations. The CDU/CSU group demanded that Schröder be included in the European Union sanctions against individuals with ties to the Russian government. -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der
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- Krasnol 3y ago
  > I don't know Michael Shillenbergers. You don't have to. It's a feature of the internet. BS spreads and everybody tries to make it look like they came up with it by themselves. > The Greens were always against nuclear. It's hypocritical to blame Merkel government as the phase out was planned decades before, Merkel initially wanted to delay it but was faced with protest and backlash from Greens. Seems you didn't read that much. Yes, the phase out was decided during the Schröder Government (where the Greens were also the minor party btw) but Merkel DID delay it. Then Fukushima happened, and the delay was history, with the same CDU politicians pushing for the end of nuclear. Merkel was in power for 16! years. She didn't stop it before Fukushima (only delayed it for a few years) and she didn't stop it years after Fukushima. The simple and plain reason for that is that nobody besides a fascist fringe party and their followers want it back. It's done and gone. It's one of the few things in this country where people are OK with it. Blaming "dem Greens" is ridiculous and yes, it shows that you are not German. You just have no idea. You ate up what Shillenberger fed you and the whole of the internet and just repeat it without bothering. > Renewables drastically expanded in Germany but if you look at the evolution of German energy matrix you will see that renewables mostly coupled with increased energy demand while nuclear phase out came at a cost of increased usage and reliance on natural gas which naturally comes from Russia. Besides the fact that renewables have expanded, everything about this paragraph is wrong and you know it which is why you didn't link to the whole page: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c... Also: you might not have realized that but the explosion of NS was 2022 and the natural gas prices have recovered https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/PlattsContent/_assets/_images/latest-news/19633e18-4729-41d5-849b-99358aaa0cbc.svg https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/PlattsContent/_as... It's 2024, and you keep on repeating statements based upon fake news. Or as you say: "BS". We don't give a damn about Putins gas anymore. Neither in Germany nor in the rest of Europe. Stop spreading fake news.
  - iso8859-1 3y ago
    > fascist fringe party I suppose you're referring to AfD, which is not fringe, its the second largest party in opinion polls. CDU and FDP are also pro-nuclear : https://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/kein-totes-pferd-fdp-cdu-und-afd-offen-fuer-atomkraft-rueckkehr-19147778.html https://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/kein-totes-pferd-fd... > We don't give a damn about Putins gas anymore. BSW is now larger than Die Linke and one of their major policy proposals is about reconciling with Russia to get cheap gas. I think people very much worry about the cost of living.