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I am unsure. You can't (for example) fine tune over API. Is anything safe for Microsoft to fine tune really safe for Russia, CCP, etc. to fine tune? Open weight

I am unsure. You can't (for example) fine tune over API. Is anything safe for Microsoft to fine tune really safe for Russia, CCP, etc. to fine tune? Open weight (which I think is more accurate term than open source here) models enable both much more actors and much more actions than the current status.

pclmulqdq 3y ago
You can fine tune over the API. Also, Russia and the CCP likely have the model weights. They probably have spies in OpenAI or Microsoft with access to the weights.
- WanderPanda 3y ago
  Interesting thought experiment! How would they best take advantage of the weights and what would be signs/actions that we could observe that signal it is likely they have the weights?
  - simfree 3y ago
    We know Microsoft experienced a full breach of Office 365/Microsoft 365 and Azure infrastructure by a nation state actor: https://www.imprivata.com/blog/strengthening-security-5-lessons-learn-microsofts-recent-azure-and-exchange-server-challenges https://www.imprivata.com/blog/strengthening-security-5-less...
- HeavyStorm 3y ago
  I don't think such speculation would _hold in court_
  - pclmulqdq 3y ago
    A quick Google search has confirmed that Microsoft has confirmed at least the Russia part: https://www.cyberark.com/resources/blog/apt29s-attack-on-microsoft-tracking-cozy-bears-footprints https://www.cyberark.com/resources/blog/apt29s-attack-on-mic... It's very hard to argue that when you give 100,000 people access to materials that are inherently worth billions, none of them are stealing those materials. Google has enough leakers to conservative media of all places that you should suspect that at least one Googler is exfiltrating data to China, Russia, or India.
- petre 3y ago
  They'll train it on Xi Jingping Thought so that the people of China can move on with their lives and use the Xi bot instead of wasting precious man hours actually studying the texts. The Russians will obviously use it to spread Kremlin's narratives on the Internet in all languages, including Klingon and Elvish.

pclmulqdq 3y ago

You can fine tune over the API. Also, Russia and the CCP likely have the model weights. They probably have spies in OpenAI or Microsoft with access to the weights.

WanderPanda 3y ago
Interesting thought experiment! How would they best take advantage of the weights and what would be signs/actions that we could observe that signal it is likely they have the weights?
- simfree 3y ago
  We know Microsoft experienced a full breach of Office 365/Microsoft 365 and Azure infrastructure by a nation state actor: https://www.imprivata.com/blog/strengthening-security-5-lessons-learn-microsofts-recent-azure-and-exchange-server-challenges https://www.imprivata.com/blog/strengthening-security-5-less...
HeavyStorm 3y ago
I don't think such speculation would _hold in court_
- pclmulqdq 3y ago
  A quick Google search has confirmed that Microsoft has confirmed at least the Russia part: https://www.cyberark.com/resources/blog/apt29s-attack-on-microsoft-tracking-cozy-bears-footprints https://www.cyberark.com/resources/blog/apt29s-attack-on-mic... It's very hard to argue that when you give 100,000 people access to materials that are inherently worth billions, none of them are stealing those materials. Google has enough leakers to conservative media of all places that you should suspect that at least one Googler is exfiltrating data to China, Russia, or India.
petre 3y ago
They'll train it on Xi Jingping Thought so that the people of China can move on with their lives and use the Xi bot instead of wasting precious man hours actually studying the texts. The Russians will obviously use it to spread Kremlin's narratives on the Internet in all languages, including Klingon and Elvish.