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Spotify, Epic Games pen letter to EC, claiming Apple has made a 'mockery' of DMA
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- tiahura 3y agoA little more meddling with Apple by the EU and it would be appropriate to start thinking about reciprical measures against LVMH.
- dylan604 3y agoIs that even close to a tit for tat? How many people would be upset because they couldn't have some "high end" bag vs how many would be upset about not having a mobile device?
- realusername 3y agoLike what? There's thousands of luxury bag and clothes manufacturers, it's not like you don't have a choice to shop somewhere else.
- snowpid 3y agoJust a nitpik: LVHM does not produce only had bags and clothes.
- realusername 3y agoYeah sure I'm simplifying a lot but the point still stands, for each category they are selling, they have thousands of competitors. I can't say the same on the Apple / Google duopoly.
- kryptiskt 3y agoLVMH doesn't want a 30% cut of everything you put in your handbag.
- tiahura 3y agoA 900% markup on their $2 bag seems unfair. LVMH is their biggest company. Got to hit 'em where it hurts.
- johneth 3y ago> LVMH is their biggest company. Got to hit 'em where it hurts. It only hurts a French billionaire. I doubt many Europeans give a solitary shit about the fortunes of LVMH.
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- dannyw 3y agoThey are not designated as a gatekeeper.
- KerrAvon 3y ago[flagged]
- snowpid 3y agoNo "there you go". There is a legal definition of that term in the DMA
- KerrAvon 3y ago[flagged]
- pquki4 3y agoAre we talking about laws applying to the real world or applying to an imaginary situation? Because, you know, I can also imagine a world where a lot of things are different from what they look like now. But that doesn't matter.
- mike_d 3y agoJust because they failed and had to resort to the courts for a second bite at the apple.
- boristsr 3y agoHow is that at all comparable? First, pretty sure they waive the unreal engine license royalties for sales on the EGS. Second, the timed exclusive offers an even lower sales percentage to epic for being exclusive to EGS for that time period. The developer has a choice to get a larger cut in exchange for not listing elsewhere for a period. That's actually competition in action. Offering better deals to persuade developers and customers to your platform. They are NOT saying if you don't list on the EGS you can't list on PC at all, which would be a more comparable stance to what Apple do.
- ramshanker 3y agoWe need more strongly worded regulations / verdicts to tame these anti-competitive behaviors. Whichever country drafts the next regulation on the same line should incorporate a clause something like "Users must be free to create, distribute & install any software / applications on their own devices without any involvement of Platform Operator, with equal access to APIs available to native stores".
- occz 3y agoI'm sure the regulation is plenty strong, given that trying to play a game of rules lawyering is something that doesn't really fly in the EU. The spirit of the law matters here, and I'm convinced that Apple will pay the price for their complete nonsense soon enough.
- noitpmeder 3y agoHere's hoping...
- _heimdall 3y agoIn the meantime, as clear regulations take time, we need consumers to step in. Just stop buying and using Apple products. Hitting their bottom line is much more effective than waiting for governments to step in.
- pcdoodle 3y agoThis. I want a M series but instead I bought a used 2019 intel on ebay. You can get a 2019 16" for around $440 right now and the screen and speakers are amazing :) Been gaming on it too. Buying this far down the chain keeps the dollars out of apples pockets.
- Our_Benefactors 3y agoWould not recommend. These intel MacBooks are awful. They’re so cheap because every person that had one dumped them as soon as possible for M1/M2 machines.
- ChrisArchitect 3y ago[dupe] The letter: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39565975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39565975
- sunday_serif 3y agoI am all for more open marketplaces for software, and I agree that Apple doesn’t seem to be respecting the intent of this legislation… But these complaints, from these specific companies, read a bit like: Apple’s walled garden is problematic because it won’t let me build my own walled garden on their platform >:(
- boudin 3y agoIf there are several competing stores, could it be considered a walled garden though?
- zo1 3y agoIf I can't transfer ownership of "stuff" between the stores?(installation platforms), or if I can get banned from a "store" and lose access to precious products purchases then it is definitely a walled garden. Maybe not in the original definition of the word. Maybe if we compared it to a car dealership. Imagine if you could only buy and sell replacement parts for your car through the dealership where you bought it. Or if you try service a car and can't because you can only do that at the original dealer, etc. This whole "walled garden" stuff will morph into region locking that we had before.
- boudin 3y agoIsn't what your describing what's being changed actualy ? You currently buy an apple phone and can only buy apps from apple "dealership" This will allow you to buy apps from different "dealerships". That does not guarantee "dealerships" which provides the behaviour you want, but it makes it possible from what I understand.
- gv83 3y agothe pot calling the kettle black
- endisneigh 3y agoI’ll keep saying it - until these companies pull their apps from the app store their requests are toothless.
- olivermuty 3y agoYou mean give most of their customers to apple music?
- MikeKusold 3y agoFortnite isn’t available on the iOS store, so at least Epic is putting their money where their mouth is.
- lolinder 3y agoApple yanked Fortnite from the App Store and forced their hand.
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- thih9 3y agoIsn’t this simple? The question is whether opening up an ecosystem can involve a fee. Is that specified anywhere in the EU regulations?
- pmontra 3y agoDoes any TV channel have to pay anything to LG, Sony, Samsung, etc to show its broadcast on one of their TV sets? No. So app developers should not have to pay Apple anything if they are not using any Apple service to deliver their apps. Apple sold the hardware, it ends there.
- thih9 3y agoThis gets tricky. E.g. if you want to release a bluray disc, there is a fee: https://blu-raydisc.info/cpa-faq.php https://blu-raydisc.info/cpa-faq.php