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You forgot to mention one single thing that your “predictions” rely on. One. Didn’t stop you from asserting them with 100% assurance tho.

by xk_id 3y ago

CamperBob2 3y ago
Personal experience writing nicely-functioning code in a language I barely know, with libraries I've never used before. Your mileage may vary, of course. Failing to take advantage of the best tools available isn't particularly adaptive, but you do you.
- xk_id 3y ago
  This does not follow: > Personal experience writing nicely-functioning code in a language I barely know, with libraries I've never used before. > We'll think of C++ the way we think of assembly now. I encourage you to reevaluate your understanding of computer science.
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    I encourage you to reevaluate your understanding of computer science. I have. I have concluded that anybody who spent the last several years studying the way things work now has wasted a lot of time (and likely a fair bit of money), unless their goal is to help develop the next generation of tools. Comp sci itself is relatively timeless, but the day-to-day practice of programming will be radically different in 5 years and unrecognizable in 10. And it's about freaking time.
    - marak830 3y ago
      I'm 50/50 on the fence here. I agree with most of your assertions, but I think knowledge of the base level will always be useful. I do quite commonly use gpt4 to write my boiler plate, my knowledge helps me redirect it when it's going down the wrong path (or flat out hallucinating). Will it get better? Of course! But being able to understand enough to be able to modify it yourself won't disappear. Just become less useful. Apologies if I misunderstood your assertion, it's been a long week.
      - CamperBob2 3y ago
        No, that's basically where I am as well -- GPT4 writes boilerplate and (most importantly) answers questions. It is not competitive with a CS education, nor is it trying to be. But it will eventually replace the people we currently think of as "programmers," which is what the vast majority of CS students end up doing for a living. Unless the IP courts, a nuclear attack, or some neo-Luddite terrorists stop it. :-P GPT4 is certainly error-prone, but rapidly growing less so. Over the past couple of years, it has gone from a rubber-duck debugging partner to a capable (if over-imaginative) junior developer. What I'm starting to see now is that it is moving from "junior developer" to genuine guruhood. Notice how it hallucinates exactly nothing in the session at https://chat.openai.com/share/345d0bca-7fc3-4b91-a1f1-95b1e8e22c01 https://chat.openai.com/share/345d0bca-7fc3-4b91-a1f1-95b1e8... , even when I was being a dumbass and arguing with it. It no longer falls over itself apologizing for its 'error', but stands its ground when it is correct. The GP's comments happened to come at the same time I was engaging GPT4 in that session. I couldn't help but think that this is exactly what it was like to argue with an OG Luddite, or with someone who insisted that horses were never going to give way to automobiles or buses or trains or bikes or anything else.
    - xk_id 3y ago
      more baseless predictions. do you own nvidia stock?
      - CamperBob2 3y ago
        If I'd had any sense I'd have loaded up on it after AlphaGo hit the scene. Why? How much did you buy?

You forgot to mention one single thing that your “predictions” rely on. One. Didn’t stop you from asserting them with 100% assurance tho.

by xk_id 3y ago

You forgot to mention one single thing that your “predictions” rely on. One. Didn’t stop you from asserting them with 100% assurance tho.

CamperBob2 3y ago

Personal experience writing nicely-functioning code in a language I barely know, with libraries I've never used before. Your mileage may vary, of course. Failing to take advantage of the best tools available isn't particularly adaptive, but you do you.

xk_id 3y ago
This does not follow: > Personal experience writing nicely-functioning code in a language I barely know, with libraries I've never used before. > We'll think of C++ the way we think of assembly now. I encourage you to reevaluate your understanding of computer science.
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  I encourage you to reevaluate your understanding of computer science. I have. I have concluded that anybody who spent the last several years studying the way things work now has wasted a lot of time (and likely a fair bit of money), unless their goal is to help develop the next generation of tools. Comp sci itself is relatively timeless, but the day-to-day practice of programming will be radically different in 5 years and unrecognizable in 10. And it's about freaking time.
  - marak830 3y ago
    I'm 50/50 on the fence here. I agree with most of your assertions, but I think knowledge of the base level will always be useful. I do quite commonly use gpt4 to write my boiler plate, my knowledge helps me redirect it when it's going down the wrong path (or flat out hallucinating). Will it get better? Of course! But being able to understand enough to be able to modify it yourself won't disappear. Just become less useful. Apologies if I misunderstood your assertion, it's been a long week.
    - CamperBob2 3y ago
      No, that's basically where I am as well -- GPT4 writes boilerplate and (most importantly) answers questions. It is not competitive with a CS education, nor is it trying to be. But it will eventually replace the people we currently think of as "programmers," which is what the vast majority of CS students end up doing for a living. Unless the IP courts, a nuclear attack, or some neo-Luddite terrorists stop it. :-P GPT4 is certainly error-prone, but rapidly growing less so. Over the past couple of years, it has gone from a rubber-duck debugging partner to a capable (if over-imaginative) junior developer. What I'm starting to see now is that it is moving from "junior developer" to genuine guruhood. Notice how it hallucinates exactly nothing in the session at https://chat.openai.com/share/345d0bca-7fc3-4b91-a1f1-95b1e8e22c01 https://chat.openai.com/share/345d0bca-7fc3-4b91-a1f1-95b1e8... , even when I was being a dumbass and arguing with it. It no longer falls over itself apologizing for its 'error', but stands its ground when it is correct. The GP's comments happened to come at the same time I was engaging GPT4 in that session. I couldn't help but think that this is exactly what it was like to argue with an OG Luddite, or with someone who insisted that horses were never going to give way to automobiles or buses or trains or bikes or anything else.
  - xk_id 3y ago
    more baseless predictions. do you own nvidia stock?
    - CamperBob2 3y ago
      If I'd had any sense I'd have loaded up on it after AlphaGo hit the scene. Why? How much did you buy?