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For something called "FastUI" it sure does seem pretty slow at making a basic website with simple 2000s-era HTML...

LtWorf 3y ago
Well FastAPI was originally based on pydantic 1.x, which was extremely slow (so slow in fact that they removed the benchmarks from the website). I am the author of typedload, a similar library written in pure python. Mostly for fun I started to see how much I could improve performances, benchmarking against other libraries. I was very surprised to find out that pydantic2, despite the rewrite in rust, wasn't overwhelmingly faster… in fact it is still slower than my pure python library in some cases. But, I guess having "fast" in the name sounds good! https://ltworf.github.io/typedload/performance.html https://ltworf.github.io/typedload/performance.html (I re-run them every time I release).
- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
  I am certainly not in love with how the FastAPI team handles comparisons or development. Hiding superior benchmarks. Immediately closing Github issues (they refile as Discussions to keep the issue count low). So on and so forth.
  - LtWorf 3y ago
    I suspect that part of the problem is that they got VC money to do the rewrite in rust, and it took very long and the results aren't as amazing as expected. But that's just my own conspiracy. I have no idea. Perhaps things changed since I last ran the benchmarks. Benchmarking isn't easy. I know that my software using my library mostly loads Unions, so that's a focus in my benchmarks. However I have absolutely no idea of what the other users are doing with it, and my benchmarks might not be relevant to them. In the end I wrote them for myself mostly, to check for possible regressions in performances.
- manojlds 3y ago
  Fast for me was about the DX rather than performance.
  - LtWorf 3y ago
    What does dx mean?
    - Expurple 3y ago
      Developer experience (developer happiness, speed of development)
- hotfixguru 3y ago
  Not the first time I see you try to use any thread related to pydantic or fastapi to market your own library, it’s getting boring.
  - LtWorf 3y ago
    I'm under the impression that you work for a company that sells services related to FastAPI? https://github.com/Intility/fastapi-azure-auth https://github.com/Intility/fastapi-azure-auth I maintain an open source library in my spare time for free, that you are welcome to ignore if you find better alternatives.
    - hotfixguru 3y ago
      You’re under the wrong impression, I’m a network engineer who happens to _use_ FastAPI for some projects. The library linked I made at work, but open sourced and wrote docs for in my own time. The other libraries I’ve written are all in my spare time. My comment is my own opinion, and a quick search for your name and pydantic backs it up. It’s just boring to read the same thing, every time.
- erezsh 3y ago
  The Pydantic project has a long history of misrepresenting their benchmarks, and ignoring the existence of much faster alternatives. I'm not at all surprised that their supposedly super-fast rewrite isn't really as fast as they made it out to be.
__jonas 3y ago
I’m assuming “Fast” here is the same as in “FastAPI”, meaning fast for developers comfortable with python to build with and not fast in the sense of performance.
- jeremycarter 3y ago
  Which is a deceptive tactic IMO.
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DonHopkins 3y ago
It means the UI abstains from eating, not that it works quickly.
jeremycarter 3y ago
Be careful. I made a similar comment and it was flagged.

Well FastAPI was originally based on pydantic 1.x, which was extremely slow (so slow in fact that they removed the benchmarks from the website). I am the author of typedload, a similar library written in pure python. Mostly for fun I started to see how much I could improve performances, benchmarking against other libraries. I was very surprised to find out that pydantic2, despite the rewrite in rust, wasn't overwhelmingly faster… in fact it is still slower than my pure python library in some cases. But, I guess having "fast" in the name sounds good! https://ltworf.github.io/typedload/performance.html https://ltworf.github.io/typedload/performance.html (I re-run them every time I release).

0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
I am certainly not in love with how the FastAPI team handles comparisons or development. Hiding superior benchmarks. Immediately closing Github issues (they refile as Discussions to keep the issue count low). So on and so forth.
- LtWorf 3y ago
  I suspect that part of the problem is that they got VC money to do the rewrite in rust, and it took very long and the results aren't as amazing as expected. But that's just my own conspiracy. I have no idea. Perhaps things changed since I last ran the benchmarks. Benchmarking isn't easy. I know that my software using my library mostly loads Unions, so that's a focus in my benchmarks. However I have absolutely no idea of what the other users are doing with it, and my benchmarks might not be relevant to them. In the end I wrote them for myself mostly, to check for possible regressions in performances.
manojlds 3y ago
Fast for me was about the DX rather than performance.
- LtWorf 3y ago
  What does dx mean?
  - Expurple 3y ago
    Developer experience (developer happiness, speed of development)
hotfixguru 3y ago
Not the first time I see you try to use any thread related to pydantic or fastapi to market your own library, it’s getting boring.
- LtWorf 3y ago
  I'm under the impression that you work for a company that sells services related to FastAPI? https://github.com/Intility/fastapi-azure-auth https://github.com/Intility/fastapi-azure-auth I maintain an open source library in my spare time for free, that you are welcome to ignore if you find better alternatives.
  - hotfixguru 3y ago
    You’re under the wrong impression, I’m a network engineer who happens to _use_ FastAPI for some projects. The library linked I made at work, but open sourced and wrote docs for in my own time. The other libraries I’ve written are all in my spare time. My comment is my own opinion, and a quick search for your name and pydantic backs it up. It’s just boring to read the same thing, every time.
erezsh 3y ago
The Pydantic project has a long history of misrepresenting their benchmarks, and ignoring the existence of much faster alternatives. I'm not at all surprised that their supposedly super-fast rewrite isn't really as fast as they made it out to be.

__jonas 3y ago

I’m assuming “Fast” here is the same as in “FastAPI”, meaning fast for developers comfortable with python to build with and not fast in the sense of performance.

jeremycarter 3y ago
Which is a deceptive tactic IMO.

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DonHopkins 3y ago

It means the UI abstains from eating, not that it works quickly.

jeremycarter 3y ago

Be careful. I made a similar comment and it was flagged.