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I don't think people realize rooted phones are an actual hazard to 99.95% of people who don't care but don't realize their phone is in an unsafe state. The poin

I don't think people realize rooted phones are an actual hazard to 99.95% of people who don't care but don't realize their phone is in an unsafe state. The point is to make a rooted phone hard to use so normal people won't screw themselves over because they got a rooted phone from Facebook marketplace and it was full of hidden malware sending all of their bank logins to someone else.

alex7734 3y ago
There are ways to solve this without killing off the ability to root phones if this was really about users' safety. You could for example make it so that phones could only be unlocked within a few days of the purchase (first boot) date, and put a scary warning on it. That'd put a stop to 99% of people being tricked into unlocking it. You could also put a scary warning on boot that allowed anyone to tell it was rooted to stop people selling them while rooted. The point of blocking rooted phones isn't "security", it's to maintain control of the user experience.
- out-of-ideas 3y ago
  it is more than to simply maintain control over user experience; it also has to do with the adtech fingerprint id... all the "free" services are provided by their ability to track you and offer those ads
Brian_K_White 3y ago
There is absolutely no justification, including any part of this. You can apply this argument to unregulated breathing. The only reason people don't know what to do with any potentially dangerous thing is when they are artificially prevented from exposure and learning the appropriate common sense the same way they have to for everything else in the world like nail clippers. You don't eat them and you don't cut your actual finger off, because somewhere along the way you played with one or if you are particularly dimwitted, someone showed you and you memorized a rule. The danger of a phone is no differrent than the danger of any other computer, or a toaster oven, or fucking breathing outside of a padded cell. This line of argument is exceedingly offensive and should be ridiculed without a hint of mercy or acknowledgement.
- viro 3y ago
  There is no justification to validate that a client is in a secure unmodified state? Just to be clear you have to be dimwitted to think the danger of your computer being compromised is anywhere near that of your phone. Its a data gold mine.
  - Brian_K_White 3y ago
    And a simple match can literally kill everyone in the house.
- overstay8930 3y ago
  Cool, let me know when my nail clipper can drain my bank account without me knowing or without recourse like someone with complete hidden access to a rooted phone could and does easily.
literalAardvark 3y ago
I don't think that's correct, so I propose to keep you bound in a dark room for your own safety. That came out creepier than I'd like, but idk how to rephrase it right now.

alex7734 3y ago

There are ways to solve this without killing off the ability to root phones if this was really about users' safety. You could for example make it so that phones could only be unlocked within a few days of the purchase (first boot) date, and put a scary warning on it. That'd put a stop to 99% of people being tricked into unlocking it. You could also put a scary warning on boot that allowed anyone to tell it was rooted to stop people selling them while rooted. The point of blocking rooted phones isn't "security", it's to maintain control of the user experience.

out-of-ideas 3y ago
it is more than to simply maintain control over user experience; it also has to do with the adtech fingerprint id... all the "free" services are provided by their ability to track you and offer those ads

Brian_K_White 3y ago

There is absolutely no justification, including any part of this. You can apply this argument to unregulated breathing. The only reason people don't know what to do with any potentially dangerous thing is when they are artificially prevented from exposure and learning the appropriate common sense the same way they have to for everything else in the world like nail clippers. You don't eat them and you don't cut your actual finger off, because somewhere along the way you played with one or if you are particularly dimwitted, someone showed you and you memorized a rule. The danger of a phone is no differrent than the danger of any other computer, or a toaster oven, or fucking breathing outside of a padded cell. This line of argument is exceedingly offensive and should be ridiculed without a hint of mercy or acknowledgement.

viro 3y ago
There is no justification to validate that a client is in a secure unmodified state? Just to be clear you have to be dimwitted to think the danger of your computer being compromised is anywhere near that of your phone. Its a data gold mine.
- Brian_K_White 3y ago
  And a simple match can literally kill everyone in the house.
overstay8930 3y ago
Cool, let me know when my nail clipper can drain my bank account without me knowing or without recourse like someone with complete hidden access to a rooted phone could and does easily.

literalAardvark 3y ago

I don't think that's correct, so I propose to keep you bound in a dark room for your own safety. That came out creepier than I'd like, but idk how to rephrase it right now.