> I don't know what I will do for cars when the battery craps out after 10 years. Not really how batteries tend to degrade. Consider how your cellphone batter

> I don't know what I will do for cars when the battery craps out after 10 years. Not really how batteries tend to degrade. Consider how your cellphone battery degrades. It's not that you one day wake up with a phone that doesn't charge at all, instead the charge simply doesn't last as long. When people talk about the cycle life of batteries, they are talking about the time it takes for battery capacity to go from 100% to 70%. This is also taken from a generally super pessimistic viewpoint (Charging from 0% to 100% == 1 cycle). Pessimistic because lithium ion batteries are somewhat damaged at very low and very high charges. If you get an EV, keep the charge percentage between 40 and 80 (which is usually more than enough for daily use) the battery can last a LOT longer. And that's just talking about NMC batteries. LFP lithium batteries have ~5 to 10x the cyclelife of NMC batteries. I'm currently driving a 2018 tesla model 3 with 120,000 miles. It's got 95% it's original battery capacity. The actual maintenance I've done has been nothing compared to what I've had to do with ICE vehicles. Basically just new tires and windshield wiper fluid. > More and more I think the whole EV concept is a way to make cars that don't last as long but cost just as much if not more, so that automakers can extract more money from their customers EVs may have a higher upfront cost, but they aren't making automakers more money. The opposite is true. Now, if I'm cynical, I believe the place automakers will try and shorten the life of EVs is with the software, not the hardware. I've no clue how much longer my EV will get OTA updates.