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> Suburbia done well can be great. Not everyone wants to be crowded into cities with noise and crime and no access to nature. That such a hilarious understandi

> Suburbia done well can be great. Not everyone wants to be crowded into cities with noise and crime and no access to nature. That such a hilarious understanding of 'nature' and 'cities'. I live in a city and I can be in nature very quickly. In fact, the sprawling nature of suberbia is what destroys the most amount of nature and makes it harder for everybody to access nature. > Suburbia can still have mixed use areas. The term 'Suberbia' talkes specifically about US style subburbs and just based on facts, 99% of it simple doesn't allow commercial usage. Sometimes you have commercial zones next to the R1 zones, but usually the ratio is very small and the distance to the commercial zone is very far for the majority of people. Thus commercial areas are often reached mostly by car. Mixed use zoning is almost nowhere to be found in most of the US. The term 'Suberbia' refers to that. > We had parks and nature preserves and even areas with condos for cheaper housing. Then it isn't really what is called 'subberbia' at all. Subburbs can be done well, but not subberbia. And in most places in the US where there is a massive lack of alternative housing options with a vanishingly small part of the total land area allowing anything but low-density residential zoning. So yes, subburbs can be done well, but if its done well its not called 'subburbia' anymore. And the amount of places where it was done well is incredibly small.

jjav 3y ago
> That such a hilarious understanding of 'nature' and 'cities'. I live in a city and I can be in nature very quickly. Which city? It's always helpful to look at google maps to see if people are using terms in a different way. A city by definition is surrounded by suburb (sub-urbe) and neither is forest, so if you live in the city you need to get to the suburbs and the cross the suburbs before you can get to a forest (or desert/etc). I'm sure there's some city somewhere where the highrise apartment building transition immediately to forest, but I'm not sure where. Not common, for sure. > So yes, subburbs can be done well, but if its done well its not called 'subburbia' anymore. This is a circular claim. So if a suburb works well it's not a suburb?
- panick21_ 3y ago
  Its just a very American views. I know its crazy to think but not every city in the world is surrounded by endless suburban sprawl. And if you have a good train connection, you can go out of a city very fast an efficiently. Zürich, you have forest 1.6km from the downtown train station. Or 9min with public transport to an even larger forest. To small? Ok, lets look at Berlin. From main train-station, you have a gigantic park only a few minutes away. If that isn't nature enough for you, its a 7.5km distance to a forest outside of the city. Amsterdam, less then 5km to be in the surrounding country side. Vienna, 4km to country side, 7km to a nature reserve. I have not been in any European city where going into to country side isn't trivially easy. Even my 80+ year old grandmother who lived in the cities former industrial area would go for daywalks in nature. > This is a circular claim. So if a suburb works well it's not a suburb? No its not 'suberbia'. 'Suberbia' has a particular definition. This video gives some perspective of what I am talking about:$ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztpcWUqVpIg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztpcWUqVpIg
  - jjav 3y ago
    > 'Suberbia' has a particular definition. Suberbia is not a word in English, reference: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/suberbia https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/suberbia

jjav 3y ago

> That such a hilarious understanding of 'nature' and 'cities'. I live in a city and I can be in nature very quickly. Which city? It's always helpful to look at google maps to see if people are using terms in a different way. A city by definition is surrounded by suburb (sub-urbe) and neither is forest, so if you live in the city you need to get to the suburbs and the cross the suburbs before you can get to a forest (or desert/etc). I'm sure there's some city somewhere where the highrise apartment building transition immediately to forest, but I'm not sure where. Not common, for sure. > So yes, subburbs can be done well, but if its done well its not called 'subburbia' anymore. This is a circular claim. So if a suburb works well it's not a suburb?

panick21_ 3y ago
Its just a very American views. I know its crazy to think but not every city in the world is surrounded by endless suburban sprawl. And if you have a good train connection, you can go out of a city very fast an efficiently. Zürich, you have forest 1.6km from the downtown train station. Or 9min with public transport to an even larger forest. To small? Ok, lets look at Berlin. From main train-station, you have a gigantic park only a few minutes away. If that isn't nature enough for you, its a 7.5km distance to a forest outside of the city. Amsterdam, less then 5km to be in the surrounding country side. Vienna, 4km to country side, 7km to a nature reserve. I have not been in any European city where going into to country side isn't trivially easy. Even my 80+ year old grandmother who lived in the cities former industrial area would go for daywalks in nature. > This is a circular claim. So if a suburb works well it's not a suburb? No its not 'suberbia'. 'Suberbia' has a particular definition. This video gives some perspective of what I am talking about:$ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztpcWUqVpIg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztpcWUqVpIg
- jjav 3y ago
  > 'Suberbia' has a particular definition. Suberbia is not a word in English, reference: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/suberbia https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/suberbia