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A NY Times article says "Though Mr. Musk has repeatedly criticized OpenAI for becoming a for-profit company, he hatched a plan in 2017 to wrest control of the A

A NY Times article says "Though Mr. Musk has repeatedly criticized OpenAI for becoming a for-profit company, he hatched a plan in 2017 to wrest control of the A.I. lab from Mr. Altman and its other founders and transform into a commercial operation that would work alongside his other companies, including the electric carmaker Tesla, and make use of their increasingly powerful supercomputers, people familiar with his plan have said. When his attempt to take control failed, he left the OpenAI board, the people said." That would let OpenAI lawyers keep this suit tied up for a very long time.

bevekspldnw 3y ago
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moralestapia 3y ago
Could he be the one behind the recent coup at OpenAI, as well?
- kmeisthax 3y ago
  No. Elon Musk was not involved with the firing of Sam Altman as far as I'm aware. The real story behind that is... complicated. First, Sam Altman allegedly does stuff that looks to be setting up a coup against the board, so the board fires Sam, but they don't provide proper context[0] and confuse everyone. So Sam gets Microsoft and a bunch of OpenAI employees to revolt and pressure the board to bring him back. He then fires the board and instates a new one, basically the original coup plan but now very much open and in the public eye. [0] To be clear, most corporate communications try to say as little as possible about internal office politics. That can easily lead into defamation lawsuits.
- baruz 3y ago
  My impression from all the stuff I’ve looked at was that one board member wrote a paper praising Anthropic’s approach with implied (or not so implied?) criticism of OpenAI’s approach. This got Altman furious. So he was going to each board member and subtly (or not so subtly?) presenting a case for her removal, using whatever reasoning, sometimes contradictory, he could tack on, maybe trying to intimidate some into compliance. This approach may have rubbed them the wrong way? Those board members communicated with each other and noted the contradictions, so they summarily fired him without consulting lawyers and without gathering a workable case file to present to stakeholders and the public. Without Altman’s relationships with the largest funders, employees got nervous and wanted information the board was rather embarrassed not to have, exacerbating the anxiety in the workforce. I’m sure that whatever the charter says about investments as donations, Microsoft had the lawyers to ensure they did not have to sink hundreds of millions into a sinking ship. No Musk required, the individuals at OpenAI did it to themselves.
- paulddraper 3y ago
  It suspicious, but the execution was utterly naive.
nuz 3y ago
Yet interestingly kept donating to openai until september 2020 according to the document.
blah-yeah 3y ago
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99_00 3y ago
>That would let OpenAI lawyers keep this suit tied up for a very long time. Why?
TomK32 3y ago
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croes 3y ago
Same with Musk,'s warning about the dangers of AI but then he released one too.
- gridspy 3y ago
  The only real defense against dangerous AI is friendly AI.
  - therouwboat 3y ago
    If anyone is going to make AI that wants to destroy humans, its elon musk.
- dylan604 3y ago
  This is my main question, how open is Tesla's FSD "AI"? Why is it okay for his AI to be closed with a direct path of killing/harming people?
  - BytesAndGears 3y ago
    I think legally, because he didn’t take a bunch of money and promise the donors to make it open
    - dylan604 3y ago
      Google started as “Don’t be evil”, but later changed. Did the early investors sue for that change in core belief? What about the bald face lie of FB’s “free and always will be” when they are robbing your privacy blind?
  - jfray2k22 3y ago
    Parent might have been talking about Twitter's Grok AI?
- arandomusername 3y ago
  if you can't fight them, join them
blah-yeah 3y ago
NY Times is unusually biased [1] and has been embroiled in strange activity over the years [2] [1] https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-times-opinion-media-bias https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-times-opinion-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_New_York_Times_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_New_York_Times_con...
stubish 3y ago
I don't see why this is a problem for the case. It demonstrates that OpenAI had not released its tech to the public, which includes Elon Musk. He wouldn't have needed to try wresting control if they had done what the non-profit was supposed to do.

bevekspldnw 3y ago

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moralestapia 3y ago

Could he be the one behind the recent coup at OpenAI, as well?

kmeisthax 3y ago
No. Elon Musk was not involved with the firing of Sam Altman as far as I'm aware. The real story behind that is... complicated. First, Sam Altman allegedly does stuff that looks to be setting up a coup against the board, so the board fires Sam, but they don't provide proper context[0] and confuse everyone. So Sam gets Microsoft and a bunch of OpenAI employees to revolt and pressure the board to bring him back. He then fires the board and instates a new one, basically the original coup plan but now very much open and in the public eye. [0] To be clear, most corporate communications try to say as little as possible about internal office politics. That can easily lead into defamation lawsuits.
baruz 3y ago
My impression from all the stuff I’ve looked at was that one board member wrote a paper praising Anthropic’s approach with implied (or not so implied?) criticism of OpenAI’s approach. This got Altman furious. So he was going to each board member and subtly (or not so subtly?) presenting a case for her removal, using whatever reasoning, sometimes contradictory, he could tack on, maybe trying to intimidate some into compliance. This approach may have rubbed them the wrong way? Those board members communicated with each other and noted the contradictions, so they summarily fired him without consulting lawyers and without gathering a workable case file to present to stakeholders and the public. Without Altman’s relationships with the largest funders, employees got nervous and wanted information the board was rather embarrassed not to have, exacerbating the anxiety in the workforce. I’m sure that whatever the charter says about investments as donations, Microsoft had the lawyers to ensure they did not have to sink hundreds of millions into a sinking ship. No Musk required, the individuals at OpenAI did it to themselves.
paulddraper 3y ago
It suspicious, but the execution was utterly naive.

nuz 3y ago

Yet interestingly kept donating to openai until september 2020 according to the document.

blah-yeah 3y ago

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99_00 3y ago

>That would let OpenAI lawyers keep this suit tied up for a very long time. Why?

TomK32 3y ago

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croes 3y ago

Same with Musk,'s warning about the dangers of AI but then he released one too.

gridspy 3y ago
The only real defense against dangerous AI is friendly AI.
- therouwboat 3y ago
  If anyone is going to make AI that wants to destroy humans, its elon musk.
dylan604 3y ago
This is my main question, how open is Tesla's FSD "AI"? Why is it okay for his AI to be closed with a direct path of killing/harming people?
- BytesAndGears 3y ago
  I think legally, because he didn’t take a bunch of money and promise the donors to make it open
  - dylan604 3y ago
    Google started as “Don’t be evil”, but later changed. Did the early investors sue for that change in core belief? What about the bald face lie of FB’s “free and always will be” when they are robbing your privacy blind?
- jfray2k22 3y ago
  Parent might have been talking about Twitter's Grok AI?
arandomusername 3y ago
if you can't fight them, join them

blah-yeah 3y ago

NY Times is unusually biased [1] and has been embroiled in strange activity over the years [2] [1] https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-times-opinion-media-bias https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-times-opinion-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_New_York_Times_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_New_York_Times_con...

stubish 3y ago

I don't see why this is a problem for the case. It demonstrates that OpenAI had not released its tech to the public, which includes Elon Musk. He wouldn't have needed to try wresting control if they had done what the non-profit was supposed to do.