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> GPT-4 is an AGI algorithm That claim is audacious.

by Tomte 3y ago

jeron 3y ago
Would be insane if the court case ended up hinging on whether AGI had been achieved internally or not
- Tomte 3y ago
  It won‘t, that‘s pretty much a throwaway half-sentence, but it stood out to me. You throw a lot of things at the judge and see what sticks.
  - iExploder 3y ago
    Could lead to juicy depositions and be subject to discovery. I wonder if Ilya makes an appearance.
  - jdale27 3y ago
    On p. 34 they specifically ask "For a judicial determination that GPT-4 constitutes Artificial General Intelligence and is thereby outside the scope of OpenAI’s license to Microsoft".
Bjorkbat 3y ago
I mean, I definitely disagree with the statement that GPT-4 is an AGI, but OpenAI themselves define an AGI in their charter as an AI that is better than the median human at most economically valuable work. Even when taking that into consideration I don't consider GPT-4 to be an AGI, but you can see how someone might make attempt to make a convincing argument. Personally though, I think this definition of AGI sets the bar too high. Let's say, hypothetically, GPT-5 comes out, and it exceeds everyone's expectations. It's practically flawless as a lawyer. It can diagnose medical issues and provide medical advice far better than any doctor can. It's coding skills are on par with that of the mythical 10x engineer. And, obviously, it can perform clerical and customer support tasks better than anyone else. As intelligent as it sounds, you could make the argument that according to OpenAI's charter it isn't actually an AGI until it takes an embodied form, since most US jobs are actually physical in nature. According to The Bureau of Labor Statistics, roughly 45% of jobs required medium strength back when the survey was taken in 2017 (https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/physically-strenuous-jobs-in-2017.htm https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/physically-strenuous-jobs-...) Hypothetically speaking, you could argue that we might wind up making superintelligence before we get to AGI simply because we haven't developed an intelligence capable of being inserted into a robot body and working in a warehouse with little in the way of human supervision. That's only if you take OpenAI's charter literally. Worth noting that Sam Altman himself hasn't actually used the same definition of AGI though. He just argues that an AGI is one that's simply smarter than most humans. In which case, the plaintiffs could simply point to GPT-4's score on the LSAT and various other tests and benchmarks, and the defendants would have to awkwardly explain to a judge that, contrary to the hype, GPT-4 doesn't really "think" at all. It's just performing next-token prediction based on its training data. Also, look at all the ridiculous ways in which it hallucinates. Personally, I think it would be hilarious if it came down to that. Who knows, maybe Elon is actually playing some kind of 5D chess and is burning all this money just to troll OpenAI into admitting in a courtroom that GPT-4 actually isn't smart at all.
- zeroonetwothree 3y ago
  My software engineer job officially says I need to be able to life up to 50 lbs but it seems unlikely that this is actually necessary in practice.
  - gitaarik 3y ago
    What? Wad that in the job application details?
- timeon 3y ago
  So what is the term for actual AI now? ASI?
VirusNewbie 3y ago
Why? AGI itself makes no claim of super intelligence or even super human capabilities.
- tills13 3y ago
  It's missing the "I" part -- it's a token prediction scheme using math.
  - echoangle 3y ago
    How does that preclude intelligence? A brain is just some neurons sending electrical pulses, can that be intelligence? Could a computer running a physics simulation of a brain generate intelligence?
    - tills13 3y ago
      I think the difference is that it's not really able to produce _new_ thought that isn't based entirely off existing data. It _has_ to have an existing dataset already otherwise it'll just produce random noise.
- deleted 3y ago
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sidcool 3y ago
What would be a good way to ascertain if GPT 4 is AGI?

> GPT-4 is an AGI algorithm That claim is audacious.

by Tomte 3y ago

> GPT-4 is an AGI algorithm That claim is audacious.

jeron 3y ago

Would be insane if the court case ended up hinging on whether AGI had been achieved internally or not

Tomte 3y ago
It won‘t, that‘s pretty much a throwaway half-sentence, but it stood out to me. You throw a lot of things at the judge and see what sticks.
- iExploder 3y ago
  Could lead to juicy depositions and be subject to discovery. I wonder if Ilya makes an appearance.
- jdale27 3y ago
  On p. 34 they specifically ask "For a judicial determination that GPT-4 constitutes Artificial General Intelligence and is thereby outside the scope of OpenAI’s license to Microsoft".

Bjorkbat 3y ago

I mean, I definitely disagree with the statement that GPT-4 is an AGI, but OpenAI themselves define an AGI in their charter as an AI that is better than the median human at most economically valuable work. Even when taking that into consideration I don't consider GPT-4 to be an AGI, but you can see how someone might make attempt to make a convincing argument. Personally though, I think this definition of AGI sets the bar too high. Let's say, hypothetically, GPT-5 comes out, and it exceeds everyone's expectations. It's practically flawless as a lawyer. It can diagnose medical issues and provide medical advice far better than any doctor can. It's coding skills are on par with that of the mythical 10x engineer. And, obviously, it can perform clerical and customer support tasks better than anyone else. As intelligent as it sounds, you could make the argument that according to OpenAI's charter it isn't actually an AGI until it takes an embodied form, since most US jobs are actually physical in nature. According to The Bureau of Labor Statistics, roughly 45% of jobs required medium strength back when the survey was taken in 2017 (https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/physically-strenuous-jobs-in-2017.htm https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/physically-strenuous-jobs-...) Hypothetically speaking, you could argue that we might wind up making superintelligence before we get to AGI simply because we haven't developed an intelligence capable of being inserted into a robot body and working in a warehouse with little in the way of human supervision. That's only if you take OpenAI's charter literally. Worth noting that Sam Altman himself hasn't actually used the same definition of AGI though. He just argues that an AGI is one that's simply smarter than most humans. In which case, the plaintiffs could simply point to GPT-4's score on the LSAT and various other tests and benchmarks, and the defendants would have to awkwardly explain to a judge that, contrary to the hype, GPT-4 doesn't really "think" at all. It's just performing next-token prediction based on its training data. Also, look at all the ridiculous ways in which it hallucinates. Personally, I think it would be hilarious if it came down to that. Who knows, maybe Elon is actually playing some kind of 5D chess and is burning all this money just to troll OpenAI into admitting in a courtroom that GPT-4 actually isn't smart at all.

zeroonetwothree 3y ago
My software engineer job officially says I need to be able to life up to 50 lbs but it seems unlikely that this is actually necessary in practice.
- gitaarik 3y ago
  What? Wad that in the job application details?
timeon 3y ago
So what is the term for actual AI now? ASI?

VirusNewbie 3y ago

Why? AGI itself makes no claim of super intelligence or even super human capabilities.

tills13 3y ago
It's missing the "I" part -- it's a token prediction scheme using math.
- echoangle 3y ago
  How does that preclude intelligence? A brain is just some neurons sending electrical pulses, can that be intelligence? Could a computer running a physics simulation of a brain generate intelligence?
  - tills13 3y ago
    I think the difference is that it's not really able to produce _new_ thought that isn't based entirely off existing data. It _has_ to have an existing dataset already otherwise it'll just produce random noise.
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sidcool 3y ago

What would be a good way to ascertain if GPT 4 is AGI?