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I don't want to be in the position of defending Elon Musk, but in this case his complaint seems to be that OpenAI claims one thing and does another. If X.ai sta

I don't want to be in the position of defending Elon Musk, but in this case his complaint seems to be that OpenAI claims one thing and does another. If X.ai started out telling everyone it's for-profit and closed off, then it's not hypocritical at all for it to be that. It's something else, sure.

krisboyz781 3y ago
But Musk claims X is the free speech town square but it isn't
- ReptileMan 3y ago
  X is definitely more free and allows more types of discourse than a year ago.
  - vajdagabor 3y ago
    Uncontrolled free speech benefits the more powerful, manipulative forces the most. Apparently a huge portion of people's minds can be bent with disinformation in order to create supporters, voters, haters, etc. Probably this is the biggest threat to humanity currently, and this is what Elon Musk's X platform (and himself) supports. Free speech is very important and powerful, but truth (the real truth) is what matters the most. Free speech of lies and conspiracies is a very dangerous thing until most people gets good enough in critical thinking.
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  - gorbachev 3y ago
    That depends entirely on who you are. It isn't more free and allowing for journalists he bans for writing critical pieces on him or Twitter. It is, if you're a far right activist or a nazi.
  - krisboyz781 3y ago
    It isn't lmao. I've always seen people say pretty much what they want on Twitter unless it was super bigoted and even those posts were allowed at times. The only different is nazi content and that's a fact. Hence the reason why most of the banned users with the most followers were literally nazi/extremist users.
- karaterobot 3y ago
  If you have standing, you are always free to file a suit against X on that basis. Even so, I'm not sure how X is relevant to lawsuit Musk made against OpenAI. If you're just saying that Musk is a hypocrite, you won't hear me arguing, but it has nothing to do with a lawsuit against a different company. I think the word for it is whataboutism.
paxys 3y ago
From x.ai's home page: > At xAI, we want to create AI tools that assist humanity in its quest for understanding and knowledge. How is it doing that by being a closed, for-profit enterprise?
- tombert 3y ago
  I don't think that follows; Apple is a closed-off, for-profit company, but I do think that a Macbook or an iPhone can be used to assist humanity in its quest for understanding and knowledge. I would agree it might be more helpful for them to be open, but it doesn't imply that it's inherently unhelpful if they're not.
  - paxys 3y ago
    So then you can apply the same logic to OpenAI. Either companies are allowed to define, implement and justify their charter in their own way, or we hold all of them to task.
vajdagabor 3y ago
Elon Musk is all about Elon Musk. One of the biggest hypocrites on Earth right now. He might be right about OpenAI not being open as they promised, but, if anyone, its not Musk who should sue them. He claims his goal is to save humanity, but he is actively working on destroying it for profit.

krisboyz781 3y ago

But Musk claims X is the free speech town square but it isn't

ReptileMan 3y ago
X is definitely more free and allows more types of discourse than a year ago.
- vajdagabor 3y ago
  Uncontrolled free speech benefits the more powerful, manipulative forces the most. Apparently a huge portion of people's minds can be bent with disinformation in order to create supporters, voters, haters, etc. Probably this is the biggest threat to humanity currently, and this is what Elon Musk's X platform (and himself) supports. Free speech is very important and powerful, but truth (the real truth) is what matters the most. Free speech of lies and conspiracies is a very dangerous thing until most people gets good enough in critical thinking.
- deleted 3y ago
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- gorbachev 3y ago
  That depends entirely on who you are. It isn't more free and allowing for journalists he bans for writing critical pieces on him or Twitter. It is, if you're a far right activist or a nazi.
- krisboyz781 3y ago
  It isn't lmao. I've always seen people say pretty much what they want on Twitter unless it was super bigoted and even those posts were allowed at times. The only different is nazi content and that's a fact. Hence the reason why most of the banned users with the most followers were literally nazi/extremist users.
karaterobot 3y ago
If you have standing, you are always free to file a suit against X on that basis. Even so, I'm not sure how X is relevant to lawsuit Musk made against OpenAI. If you're just saying that Musk is a hypocrite, you won't hear me arguing, but it has nothing to do with a lawsuit against a different company. I think the word for it is whataboutism.

paxys 3y ago

From x.ai's home page: > At xAI, we want to create AI tools that assist humanity in its quest for understanding and knowledge. How is it doing that by being a closed, for-profit enterprise?

tombert 3y ago
I don't think that follows; Apple is a closed-off, for-profit company, but I do think that a Macbook or an iPhone can be used to assist humanity in its quest for understanding and knowledge. I would agree it might be more helpful for them to be open, but it doesn't imply that it's inherently unhelpful if they're not.
- paxys 3y ago
  So then you can apply the same logic to OpenAI. Either companies are allowed to define, implement and justify their charter in their own way, or we hold all of them to task.

vajdagabor 3y ago

Elon Musk is all about Elon Musk. One of the biggest hypocrites on Earth right now. He might be right about OpenAI not being open as they promised, but, if anyone, its not Musk who should sue them. He claims his goal is to save humanity, but he is actively working on destroying it for profit.