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I assume you mean Exhibit 2, the email from Sam to Elon.

by baking 3y ago

alickz 3y ago
From: Elon Musk To: Sam Altman Subject: AI Lab Agree on all On Jun 24, 2015, at 10:24 AM, Sam Altman wrote: 1. The mission would be to create the first general Al and use ti for individual empowerment ie, the distributed version of the future that seems the safest. More generally, safety should be a first-class requirement. 2. I think we'd ideally start with a group of 7-10 people, and plan to expand from there. We have a nice extra building in Mountain View they can have. 3. I think for a governance structure, we should start with 5 people and I'd propose you,[blank] and me. The technology would be owned by the foundation and used "for the good of the world", and in cases where it's not obvious how that should be applied the 5 of us would decide. The researchers would have significant financial upside but ti would be uncorrelated to what they build, which should eliminate some of the conflict (we'll pay them a competitive salary and give them YC equity for the upside). We'd have an ongoing conversation about what work should be open-sourced and what shouldn't. At some point we'd get someone to run the team, but he/she probably shouldn't be on the governance board. 4. Will you be involved somehow in addition to just governance? Ithink that would be really helpful for getting work pointed in the right direction getting the best people to be part of it. Ideally you'd come by and talk to them about progress once a month or whatever. We generically call people involved in some limited way ni YC "part-time partners" (we do that with Peter Thiei for exampie, though at this point he's very involved) but we could call ti whatever you want. Even fi you can't really spend time on ti but can be publicly supportive, that would still probably be really helpful for recruiting. 5. I think the right plan with the regulation letter is to wait for this to get going and then! can just release ti with a message like "now that we are doing this, I've been thinking a lot about what sort of constraints the world needs for safefy." Im' happy to leave you of as a signatory. Ialso suspect that after it's out more peopie will be willing to get behind it. Sam
- sroussey 3y ago
  Wait, Peter Thiel is/was heavily involved in YC?
  - ep103 3y ago
    Sauron does have a habit of consistently appearing, and consistently appearing where least expected.
    - paulddraper 3y ago
      Thiel is....Sauron? I missed something.
      - ep103 3y ago
        I was saying this as a tounge-in-cheek way of calling Thiel evil. But also, Thiel is a LoTR geek, who took all of the wrong lessons from the novels, literally writing fan pieces that argued that Sauron was the good guy in LoTR to justify his personal authoritarian and fascist ideologies. Its literally why he named his company Palantir.
  - lenerdenator 3y ago
    They're all buddies. It's a industry/regional oligarchy. Part of the system is you cut the rest of "the club" in on deals. If you don't, you get what's happening here: lawsuits.
    - Zanneth 3y ago
      Maybe a better way to say it is: when you’re investing millions of dollars in risky ventures, reputation is very important.
      - lenerdenator 3y ago
        I'm thinking their reputations are a bit different in their heads than in reality.
        sroussey 3y ago
        Just look at their respective Twitter to know how to bin them.
- rancour 3y ago
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- nuz 3y ago
  Anyone understand what the point no 5 means? What regulation letter is it referring to?
  - neom 3y ago
    "The fifth bullet point is about a proposed open letter to the US government on AI safety and regulation, which the complaint says was eventually published in October 2015 “and signed by over eleven thousand individuals, including Mr. Musk, Stephen Hawking and Steve Wozniak." https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-03-01/openai-isn-t-open-enough-for-elon https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-03-01/openai...
- afhjafh3883 3y ago
  Why do all the 2-letter words have reversed letters?
- sjm 3y ago
  What is with these "ti", "ni", "fi" typos? Weird.
  - alickz 3y ago
    I copy pasted the text from the PDF mentioned in GP comment for those as lazy as myself I cleaned it up a bit but didn't notice that bug of 2 letters. I used Preview for macOS, for what it's worth. I also wonder why it swapped two letter words The original had a `<!-|if IsupportLists]->[NUM]) <-[endif]>` for each bullet point which I found interesting, haven't seen that before in emails Link to pdf: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/musk-v-altman-openai-complaint-sf.pdf https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/mu... (reference page 40, exhibit 2)

I assume you mean Exhibit 2, the email from Sam to Elon.

by baking 3y ago

I assume you mean Exhibit 2, the email from Sam to Elon.

From: Elon Musk To: Sam Altman Subject: AI Lab Agree on all On Jun 24, 2015, at 10:24 AM, Sam Altman wrote: 1. The mission would be to create the first general Al and use ti for individual empowerment ie, the distributed version of the future that seems the safest. More generally, safety should be a first-class requirement. 2. I think we'd ideally start with a group of 7-10 people, and plan to expand from there. We have a nice extra building in Mountain View they can have. 3. I think for a governance structure, we should start with 5 people and I'd propose you,[blank] and me. The technology would be owned by the foundation and used "for the good of the world", and in cases where it's not obvious how that should be applied the 5 of us would decide. The researchers would have significant financial upside but ti would be uncorrelated to what they build, which should eliminate some of the conflict (we'll pay them a competitive salary and give them YC equity for the upside). We'd have an ongoing conversation about what work should be open-sourced and what shouldn't. At some point we'd get someone to run the team, but he/she probably shouldn't be on the governance board. 4. Will you be involved somehow in addition to just governance? Ithink that would be really helpful for getting work pointed in the right direction getting the best people to be part of it. Ideally you'd come by and talk to them about progress once a month or whatever. We generically call people involved in some limited way ni YC "part-time partners" (we do that with Peter Thiei for exampie, though at this point he's very involved) but we could call ti whatever you want. Even fi you can't really spend time on ti but can be publicly supportive, that would still probably be really helpful for recruiting. 5. I think the right plan with the regulation letter is to wait for this to get going and then! can just release ti with a message like "now that we are doing this, I've been thinking a lot about what sort of constraints the world needs for safefy." Im' happy to leave you of as a signatory. Ialso suspect that after it's out more peopie will be willing to get behind it. Sam

sroussey 3y ago
Wait, Peter Thiel is/was heavily involved in YC?
- ep103 3y ago
  Sauron does have a habit of consistently appearing, and consistently appearing where least expected.
  - paulddraper 3y ago
    Thiel is....Sauron? I missed something.
    - ep103 3y ago
      I was saying this as a tounge-in-cheek way of calling Thiel evil. But also, Thiel is a LoTR geek, who took all of the wrong lessons from the novels, literally writing fan pieces that argued that Sauron was the good guy in LoTR to justify his personal authoritarian and fascist ideologies. Its literally why he named his company Palantir.
- lenerdenator 3y ago
  They're all buddies. It's a industry/regional oligarchy. Part of the system is you cut the rest of "the club" in on deals. If you don't, you get what's happening here: lawsuits.
  - Zanneth 3y ago
    Maybe a better way to say it is: when you’re investing millions of dollars in risky ventures, reputation is very important.
    - lenerdenator 3y ago
      I'm thinking their reputations are a bit different in their heads than in reality.
      - sroussey 3y ago
        Just look at their respective Twitter to know how to bin them.
rancour 3y ago
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nuz 3y ago
Anyone understand what the point no 5 means? What regulation letter is it referring to?
- neom 3y ago
  "The fifth bullet point is about a proposed open letter to the US government on AI safety and regulation, which the complaint says was eventually published in October 2015 “and signed by over eleven thousand individuals, including Mr. Musk, Stephen Hawking and Steve Wozniak." https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-03-01/openai-isn-t-open-enough-for-elon https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-03-01/openai...
afhjafh3883 3y ago
Why do all the 2-letter words have reversed letters?
sjm 3y ago
What is with these "ti", "ni", "fi" typos? Weird.
- alickz 3y ago
  I copy pasted the text from the PDF mentioned in GP comment for those as lazy as myself I cleaned it up a bit but didn't notice that bug of 2 letters. I used Preview for macOS, for what it's worth. I also wonder why it swapped two letter words The original had a `<!-|if IsupportLists]->[NUM]) <-[endif]>` for each bullet point which I found interesting, haven't seen that before in emails Link to pdf: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/musk-v-altman-openai-complaint-sf.pdf https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/mu... (reference page 40, exhibit 2)