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I still miss DVI.

ttyyzz 3y ago
The connector (resp Port) was too chunky for laptops and you didnt get sound over dvi, but other than that it worked just Fine each and every time. Never had issues upgrading stuff from VGA to DVI in an industrial Environment back then.
- djxfade 3y ago
  Apple had a full-size DVI connector on their PowerBook G4 series of laptops.
  - swiftcoder 3y ago
    All the G4 PowerBooks I remember used mini-DVI? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-DVI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-DVI Which is cool, but not quite as cool as micro-DVI, which they used for exactly one MacBook Air generation before mini-DisplayPort arrived on the scene https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro-DVI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro-DVI Edit: you are right though. I just pulled up pictures on early G4 variants, and there is indeed full-size DVI. I completely forgot that.
- CalRobert 3y ago
  I actually like not having sound in the same cable, it has generally made life more complicated. But my use case could be different from others. Even DVI had HDCP though, so it too was flawed :-( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content...
zekica 3y ago
I don't miss it, DisplayPort is a really good replacement.
- Antip0dean 3y ago
  It is. And this is the likely to be the solution to this issue. DP is a VESA standard, and its Dual Mode feature supports passive adaptors for, among other things, HDMI displays. I use one on my 20-series RTX card. A cheap DP-HDMI dongle makes all this go away. As long as VESA doesn't behave the same way, anyway.
  - dtx1 3y ago
    > A cheap DP-HDMI dongle makes all this go away. As long as VESA doesn't behave the same way, anyway. You can even get cables that are DP on the input and HDMI on the output with minimal bulk.
    - oskarw85 3y ago
      But this feature works by transmitting HDMI signals so you still need to implement the software part in question.
      - paulmd 3y ago
        No, it doesn’t. Hdmi alt mode doesn’t exist in the real world.
  - prmoustache 3y ago
    That works somewhat well for 1080p but all adapters I have seen max out at 30fps for 4K video. Might be ok for movies but gamers might not like it. 55" monitors with DisplayPort do exist but they are only a selected few and seem to cost 4 times the price of a 4K TV. So 4K is still pretty much a luxury that I will just ignore for now.
- dtx1 3y ago
  I think the connector good be better in terms of reversibility and none of that weird locking it has but it's an incredible technical achievement. And it seems perpetually ahead of HDMI in terms of features and Bandwidth.
RedShift1 3y ago
DisplayPort has been good to me
rictic 3y ago
I don't miss all the variants of DVI. DVI-D, DVI-I, DVI-A, single-link, dual-link. But people would just see the cable and think, "ah, I know this, it's a DVI cable"
silon42 3y ago
I've decided to skip 4K for now (at least a decade), switching to the 2560x1440 resolution (finally switched from 1200p) I normally run it on 120Hz over DP, but it will work fine over HDMI 1.1 at 60Hz. My (5+ years old) TV runs at 1080p/120Hz just fine too.
ljm 3y ago
It was all about SCART, which is probably the only port worse than USB for having to rotate the connector several times before getting the correct orientation to insert it
spintin 3y ago
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I still miss DVI.

The connector (resp Port) was too chunky for laptops and you didnt get sound over dvi, but other than that it worked just Fine each and every time. Never had issues upgrading stuff from VGA to DVI in an industrial Environment back then.

djxfade 3y ago
Apple had a full-size DVI connector on their PowerBook G4 series of laptops.
- swiftcoder 3y ago
  All the G4 PowerBooks I remember used mini-DVI? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-DVI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-DVI Which is cool, but not quite as cool as micro-DVI, which they used for exactly one MacBook Air generation before mini-DisplayPort arrived on the scene https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro-DVI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro-DVI Edit: you are right though. I just pulled up pictures on early G4 variants, and there is indeed full-size DVI. I completely forgot that.
CalRobert 3y ago
I actually like not having sound in the same cable, it has generally made life more complicated. But my use case could be different from others. Even DVI had HDCP though, so it too was flawed :-( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content...

zekica 3y ago

I don't miss it, DisplayPort is a really good replacement.

Antip0dean 3y ago
It is. And this is the likely to be the solution to this issue. DP is a VESA standard, and its Dual Mode feature supports passive adaptors for, among other things, HDMI displays. I use one on my 20-series RTX card. A cheap DP-HDMI dongle makes all this go away. As long as VESA doesn't behave the same way, anyway.
- dtx1 3y ago
  > A cheap DP-HDMI dongle makes all this go away. As long as VESA doesn't behave the same way, anyway. You can even get cables that are DP on the input and HDMI on the output with minimal bulk.
  - oskarw85 3y ago
    But this feature works by transmitting HDMI signals so you still need to implement the software part in question.
    - paulmd 3y ago
      No, it doesn’t. Hdmi alt mode doesn’t exist in the real world.
- prmoustache 3y ago
  That works somewhat well for 1080p but all adapters I have seen max out at 30fps for 4K video. Might be ok for movies but gamers might not like it. 55" monitors with DisplayPort do exist but they are only a selected few and seem to cost 4 times the price of a 4K TV. So 4K is still pretty much a luxury that I will just ignore for now.
dtx1 3y ago
I think the connector good be better in terms of reversibility and none of that weird locking it has but it's an incredible technical achievement. And it seems perpetually ahead of HDMI in terms of features and Bandwidth.

RedShift1 3y ago

DisplayPort has been good to me

rictic 3y ago

I don't miss all the variants of DVI. DVI-D, DVI-I, DVI-A, single-link, dual-link. But people would just see the cable and think, "ah, I know this, it's a DVI cable"

silon42 3y ago

I've decided to skip 4K for now (at least a decade), switching to the 2560x1440 resolution (finally switched from 1200p) I normally run it on 120Hz over DP, but it will work fine over HDMI 1.1 at 60Hz. My (5+ years old) TV runs at 1080p/120Hz just fine too.

ljm 3y ago

It was all about SCART, which is probably the only port worse than USB for having to rotate the connector several times before getting the correct orientation to insert it

spintin 3y ago

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