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It took some time but now Germany is finally free from foreign powers surveilling its citizens and forcing it to do things it doesn't want to do.

mihular 3y ago
All that remains now is domestic and allies surveillance forcing it to do things it doesn't want to.
ExoticPearTree 3y ago
lol, what? Either my sarcasm detector is way off or…
- hhr 3y ago
  I think he is referring to "U.S. spied on Merkel and other Europeans through Danish cables - broadcaster DR" story.
  - oaiey 3y ago
    Cables is a tiny part of it. Cables were a diplomatic nightmare but just a tiny percentage of overall spying activity.
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hcfman 3y ago
If they haven't already, likely Germany will also introduce a new law like the Dutch did such that a court order or judge is no longer necessary to hack someone and you don't have to be a criminal either. Additionally, it goes without saying of course, you don't never any form of evidence of anything.
- fransje26 3y ago
  Luckily for now, the Germans, for all their flaws, still have a much better understanding of the concept of privacy than the Dutch, and are pushing back as they can. Being a bit more historically conscious will do that to you, I guess. And it's not like there haven't been repeated offenses of privacy abuse in the Netherlands the past few years.. (With little to no repercussion whatsoever..) The general response of the average (uninformed) citizen is that they have nothing to hide, so they don't care. And it is well know that abuses only happen in other, less developed countries, with said countries starting at the southern, eastern, and "western" boarders. So, as long as they inconvenience someone else's life, all is well. As the poem goes: First they came...
  - ametrau 3y ago
    > the Germans, for all their flaws, still have a much better understanding of the concept of privacy than the Dutch This is the country that makes you put your full name and address on personal websites yeah?
    - fransje26 3y ago
      Well, it was the country that banned traffic cameras doing average speed check on longer stretches, because it was an unreasonable indiscriminate privacy intrusion, storing the number plate information of all passing cars, with a potential for abuse. Now the Dutch tax services just went ahead, broke the law, stored and analyzed the number plate information of millions of drivers to try to determine if they were using their company car more than allowed for private use. For more or less zero gains. And no retribution when found out. And by the way, no, personal, non-commercial websites are absolutely not required to have the user's full name and address on them. Link: https://www.bmuv.de/themen/verbraucherschutz/digitaler-verbraucherschutz/impressumspflicht#c66866 https://www.bmuv.de/themen/verbraucherschutz/digitaler-verbr...
jesterson 3y ago
Thank you, USA (c)
guappa 3y ago
I wasn't aware that nokia was a german company.

mihular 3y ago

All that remains now is domestic and allies surveillance forcing it to do things it doesn't want to.

ExoticPearTree 3y ago

lol, what? Either my sarcasm detector is way off or…

hhr 3y ago
I think he is referring to "U.S. spied on Merkel and other Europeans through Danish cables - broadcaster DR" story.
- oaiey 3y ago
  Cables is a tiny part of it. Cables were a diplomatic nightmare but just a tiny percentage of overall spying activity.

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hcfman 3y ago

If they haven't already, likely Germany will also introduce a new law like the Dutch did such that a court order or judge is no longer necessary to hack someone and you don't have to be a criminal either. Additionally, it goes without saying of course, you don't never any form of evidence of anything.

fransje26 3y ago
Luckily for now, the Germans, for all their flaws, still have a much better understanding of the concept of privacy than the Dutch, and are pushing back as they can. Being a bit more historically conscious will do that to you, I guess. And it's not like there haven't been repeated offenses of privacy abuse in the Netherlands the past few years.. (With little to no repercussion whatsoever..) The general response of the average (uninformed) citizen is that they have nothing to hide, so they don't care. And it is well know that abuses only happen in other, less developed countries, with said countries starting at the southern, eastern, and "western" boarders. So, as long as they inconvenience someone else's life, all is well. As the poem goes: First they came...
- ametrau 3y ago
  > the Germans, for all their flaws, still have a much better understanding of the concept of privacy than the Dutch This is the country that makes you put your full name and address on personal websites yeah?
  - fransje26 3y ago
    Well, it was the country that banned traffic cameras doing average speed check on longer stretches, because it was an unreasonable indiscriminate privacy intrusion, storing the number plate information of all passing cars, with a potential for abuse. Now the Dutch tax services just went ahead, broke the law, stored and analyzed the number plate information of millions of drivers to try to determine if they were using their company car more than allowed for private use. For more or less zero gains. And no retribution when found out. And by the way, no, personal, non-commercial websites are absolutely not required to have the user's full name and address on them. Link: https://www.bmuv.de/themen/verbraucherschutz/digitaler-verbraucherschutz/impressumspflicht#c66866 https://www.bmuv.de/themen/verbraucherschutz/digitaler-verbr...

jesterson 3y ago

Thank you, USA (c)

guappa 3y ago

I wasn't aware that nokia was a german company.