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"Because you are no longer employed by Miso, you are not eligible for this bonus." I must say, I completely agree. This is how it works. Your referral bonus

by davidu 14y ago

"Because you are no longer employed by Miso, you are not eligible for this bonus." I must say, I completely agree. This is how it works. Your referral bonus is a perk, and nothing more. You didn't claim it. They weren't on top of it. You both failed here. But then you quit. And you left without it. That sucks for you, but they owe you nothing.

adgar 14y ago
When my girlfriend broke up with me, we had a lot of shared stuff in my apartment we had purchased together. I gave her back everything she wanted and more. Why? I didn't owe her anything. We'd purchased things together, lived together, ownership was undefined, and hell, she left me. Oh wait - human decency. That's what it is. I guess since HN is full of armchair CEOs, dismissing respectful business relationships is in vogue here.
- davidu 14y ago
  Your analogy makes no sense.
  - adgar 14y ago
    It makes perfect sense if you don't think about it too much, which I suspect you are. Here's the general pattern: You don't have to do X to help Y, even though you said you would, and it'd be nice. But nobody would blame you if you didn't do X. Indignant, you make a big deal about how you don't have to do X and it's Y's fault for not taking care of things earlier. Unsurprisingly you look like a selfish shithead in the eyes of decent people.
pbiggar 14y ago
> "Your referral bonus is a perk" It seems your argument centers on this point, which is conjecture on your part, at best. Can you explain how you came to this conclusion?
- davidu 14y ago
  At my company, it's a perk. And I love paying it out. And my loyalty is to my employees. I would bleed for them. But it's not to my former employees. As I approach 100 employees, many who have been with me for 4+ years, I find my stance to be entirely in their favor.
  - nknight 14y ago
    Your loyalty to your employees should include respect for contracts and the law. This man satisfied the conditions for payment of the bonus before he left the company, he is entitled to the money. That you would not give it to him makes you little better than a thief. Fortunately, we all now know that OpenDNS and anything else David Ulevitch is involved with in the future is a company to avoid.
    - adgar 14y ago
      > Fortunately, we all now know that OpenDNS and anything else David Ulevitch is involved with in the future is a company to avoid. It seems that's true only if you value treating people with respect when you aren't legally obligated to.
      - davidu 14y ago
        Again, a wild and broad conclusion based on my perspective that perks for employees are valid for actual employees, and not former employees. The company should have paid it out when he earned it. The employee should have requested it before quitting. Neither event happened. It doesn't matter if the employee quit two days ago, two weeks ago or two decades ago. He's not an employee now and should just move on with his life.
        creamyhorror 14y ago
        "Too bad you forgot sucks for you" is not what the law says, nor is it the ethical thing to do, IMO.

by davidu 14y ago

adgar 14y ago

When my girlfriend broke up with me, we had a lot of shared stuff in my apartment we had purchased together. I gave her back everything she wanted and more. Why? I didn't owe her anything. We'd purchased things together, lived together, ownership was undefined, and hell, she left me. Oh wait - human decency. That's what it is. I guess since HN is full of armchair CEOs, dismissing respectful business relationships is in vogue here.

davidu 14y ago
Your analogy makes no sense.
- adgar 14y ago
  It makes perfect sense if you don't think about it too much, which I suspect you are. Here's the general pattern: You don't have to do X to help Y, even though you said you would, and it'd be nice. But nobody would blame you if you didn't do X. Indignant, you make a big deal about how you don't have to do X and it's Y's fault for not taking care of things earlier. Unsurprisingly you look like a selfish shithead in the eyes of decent people.

pbiggar 14y ago

> "Your referral bonus is a perk" It seems your argument centers on this point, which is conjecture on your part, at best. Can you explain how you came to this conclusion?

davidu 14y ago
At my company, it's a perk. And I love paying it out. And my loyalty is to my employees. I would bleed for them. But it's not to my former employees. As I approach 100 employees, many who have been with me for 4+ years, I find my stance to be entirely in their favor.
- nknight 14y ago
  Your loyalty to your employees should include respect for contracts and the law. This man satisfied the conditions for payment of the bonus before he left the company, he is entitled to the money. That you would not give it to him makes you little better than a thief. Fortunately, we all now know that OpenDNS and anything else David Ulevitch is involved with in the future is a company to avoid.
  - adgar 14y ago
    > Fortunately, we all now know that OpenDNS and anything else David Ulevitch is involved with in the future is a company to avoid. It seems that's true only if you value treating people with respect when you aren't legally obligated to.
    - davidu 14y ago
      Again, a wild and broad conclusion based on my perspective that perks for employees are valid for actual employees, and not former employees. The company should have paid it out when he earned it. The employee should have requested it before quitting. Neither event happened. It doesn't matter if the employee quit two days ago, two weeks ago or two decades ago. He's not an employee now and should just move on with his life.
      - creamyhorror 14y ago
        "Too bad you forgot sucks for you" is not what the law says, nor is it the ethical thing to do, IMO.